Scenario Victory Pts

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Grunvald

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Just finished playing a campain game of Rescue Mission with Vorlons Vs Psi Corps!

Now i lost this game only due to the fact that each of my fighters that got blow up gave the Psi Corps 1 victory point!!

But for each of the Psi corps fighters that i destroyed i got nothing!!! ZIPPO!!!ZIP!!!

Now i found this totally unfair due to the fact that the only way i as a Vorlon player can have fighters is to buy them seperatly!

NOw if it was pts given on the basic Victory pts chart each fighter is worth ½ a point so why oh why have a seperate section JUST for fighters but not fighters that are launched from ships!

i mean talk the game is surposed to be balanced and fair but time and time again there seems to be holes and gaps that tilt the scales to one side and everyone asks why!!

Im asking is it fair to have this extra rulin just for fighters!?

If it was 1 pt for killing 1 scenario pt worth of fighters it wouldnt be so bad then it would balance out with what i could kill on the other side (ie kill a patrol lvl ship get 1 pt kill 3 vorlon fighters get 1 pt)

Its the rule saying that fighters launched from ships during the game that stinks!

who else finds this rule unfair?

PS does this mean that fighters deployed before the game from ships actually earn you a vp for killin it or not?
 
I agree that it's a messed up way of dealing with fighters. Just how unfair it is though depends on the PL being played.
In Patrol level games for example, it's completely unfair in favour of fighter wings - in some cases you only get a single VP for destroying a whole Patrol point of fighters, whilst you'd get 10VP for destroying an equivilent ship.
 
fighter VP's are a pain, utterly, but then you do need something for disposing of independant wings. . .how about tot up your undeopendant casualties, and round to the nearest patrol point, and get a patrol level VP for the scenario? I dunno how that would affect it, just a pondering
 
Fighter VPs are changing for P&P - the desired solution is on a "per wing" basis for paid for fighters.
 
So what about ship launched fighters?

Still nothing for them!

Totally unfair they still have to be shot down like brought fighters, they are only a bonus for taking that classification of ship, but cause nightmare of problems for victory pts.

Possible simple solution give ships empty hangers and the buy the fighters for them and pts awarded as normal
 
There's not so much of a problem for ship carried fighters. Yes, you don't get VPs for destroying the fighters, but for destroying the ship that carried them you get VPs in excess of what the ship is actually worth.
Buying fighters separately would be a solution, but it would mean that the majority of the ships in the game would seriously need rebalancing, and that under the new FAP splits there would be no point in buying any fighters for higher PL battles.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Buying your fighter compliment would only work in a points system. The FAP method just doesn't have the flexibility.
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Not to mention that the capital ships have been balanced on the basis that their fighters don't give away VPs. Most fighters are balanced around their worth to a battle rather than on a 1VP per fighter basis, this means that giving away VPs on a per wing basis will balance them out somewhat.

For 3rd ed. I have no doubt that all fighters will give away VPs on a "per wing" basis, whether paid for or not. It'll require some rebalancing but the Drakh work in a similar way and it is doable.
 
I just hope we aren't being asked to track which fighters are from what wing, for giving away vp purposes determining a wing.

Ripple
 
I am guessing / hoping its just keeping track of which fighters are ship based and which independant. at the end ignore the ship based and count up the independant. Divide it by the fighters per wing and award VP accordingly?

Should be better and reletively easy??
 
Keepin track of what fighters come from where is can be practically impossible. especially in larger games, so lets hope not!!!

The only way i could see this happening is if each fighter was painted differently so you could tell which ships they have come from!! And being how numerous fighters can be in some fleets (gaim for instance) more painting is not on the forefront of everyones mind!!!!
 
well you have to do it now anyway to differentaite between carried and independant fighters - the only difference is the awarding of VP based on Wings rather than flights? :?
 
This is a problem that we playtesters and Matt are still debating.

One of the aims in 2e was to make fighters simpler - to not have to track where they came from, different CQs, which had used afterburners and so on.

However, giving VPs for carried fighters would make ships like the Poseidon prohibitive - it would give away 48 VPs in a battle-level game if you destroyed the ship and fighters.

Giving VPs for the destruction of the whole wing was considered, but cheesy players could keep one fighter in the corner to prevent the wing being destroyed.

The current solution is something of a compromise.

Hopefully, we will have a batter solution for P&P.
 
Da Boss said:
I am guessing / hoping its just keeping track of which fighters are ship based and which independant. at the end ignore the ship based and count up the independant. Divide it by the fighters per wing and award VP accordingly?

Should be better and reletively easy??
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hey thats almost what I said, or at least what i meant. .

the problem with doing it as VP per a destroyed wing as taken, is you just get one of your wigs fighters and fly off, denying VP's for it even if you destroy all the rest. .
 
it should be by complete wings of fighters killed no matter where they came from upto the number of wings you brought along.
so if you brought 2 wings of starfuries along and lost 12 fighters no matter their origin then you get VPs for 2 fighter wings.
 
katadder said:
it should be by complete wings of fighters killed no matter where they came from upto the number of wings you brought along.
so if you brought 2 wings of starfuries along and lost 12 fighters no matter their origin then you get VPs for 2 fighter wings.
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almost like i stated several threads above. . . :-)
 
Its the paid for fighters vs the none paid for fighters that is a problem, some fleets like vorlons have no option BUT to take paid for fighters where as other fleets get ships with fighters!!

So how can it still be fair to give vp's away for having to buy fighters when others fleets get them for free and so dont give away vp's?

(ok not exactly free having to buy the ship 1st but you get the idea)
 
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