Russia in BF Evo

[Pietia]

a proper russian tank platoon has more than just tanks, unlike other forces in the world.

Wrong. A russian tank platoon has three tanks - and that's it. Any support vehicles like BMPT fight in their own platoons.

 

[lastbesthope]

I do however have a problem with thinking of Russia as part of the MEA... Whilst Russia does have a significant Muslim population it has a far more significant non-muslim population who ain't going to roll over and let the Muslims take control.....

Noone said anything about anyone 'letting' anyone else do anything. It could be taken by force.

LBH

 

[lastbesthope]

Hmmm Toughness - has to fail 5 armour saves before it is killed, 1 kill result = the automatic failure of 3 saves. (So it takes 2 kill results to kill this beasty....)

Now that's getting complicated, making there be two kinds of 'Kill' result

LBH

 

[BuShips]

Not sure about that Buships, it would end making the MEA (none milita armies) and Russians potentaily very similar.

I am hoping they will do more to differentiate each faction as much as possible. Yes both the USMC and EFTF are going to be very tech heavy, but hopefully they will go in different directions with it.

I would love to see the PLA really go for the human wave (a drop in the cost of the infantry would be a good start), where men and equipment are cheap but never seem to run out.

The MEA I hope are going to become a fanatic based force with the testicular fortitude to hang in there and give a good kicking, I really like the idea that the Feds are immune to suppression. In the games we have had so far suppression is a major factor, and having an army that isn't so bothered by it will give it a lot of strength.

I think that the Russians should follow the tech route, but use it to get more feet on the ground quickly and support it with lots of fire power.

The MEA will be getting its own MBT, as Iran is catching up with the West (and the East) and I see Iran as being the core of the MEA possibly. There has to be some cross-over units allowed in the game, as the real world has this already. Saudi Arabia has Abrams MBTs as well as the new Russian tracks that they are buying. It's a bit like seeing the British aircraft in Victory at Sea really just being U.S. production in British service. You can change the name and change the paint job, but it's still the same base equipment. I see the current MEA units as "filler" material. Right now the current MEA models might be mainline game units, but I see them relegated to a support role for "official" uniformed troops (maybe). Mongoose can take this anywhere they wish to, based upon the popularity of the game system. The great thing is that we all do not need to keep with one vision, and some players can use the game to play out different "future histories".

 

[BuShips]

Hmmm Toughness - has to fail 5 armour saves before it is killed, 1 kill result = the automatic failure of 3 saves. (So it takes 2 kill results to kill this beasty....)

Now that's getting complicated, making there be two kinds of 'Kill' result

LBH

Name for this rule would of course be "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" or "What does not kill me, only makes me stronger" :wink:

 

[lastbesthope]

There has to be some cross-over units allowed in the game, as the real world has this already.

Doesn't mean there will be in future though, by the timeframe of BF:Evo it could all have changed. The factions might see it a a matter of pride to only field homegrown equipment.

LBH

 

[cordas]

I do however have a problem with thinking of Russia as part of the MEA... Whilst Russia does have a significant Muslim population it has a far more significant non-muslim population who ain't going to roll over and let the Muslims take control.....

Noone said anything about anyone 'letting' anyone else do anything. It could be taken by force.

LBH

Thats what wargames are all about Mind you it would be one hell of a campaign to take over Russia.... More than a couple of attempts have been made and none has been successful in nearly a thousand years... and even that one didn't really conquer most of Russia, mind you its also been said that Russia has never conquored most of Russia, just said its ours and ignored those half dozen yak farmers who said otherwise.

 

[cordas]

My personal feeling on cross over units is that whilst they may be "factualy accurate" they will lessen the destinctive feel of individual factions, and that seems to me to be bad idea.

 

[Mr Evil]

a proper russian tank platoon has more than just tanks, unlike other forces in the world.

Wrong. A russian tank platoon has three tanks - and that's it. Any support vehicles like BMPT fight in their own platoons.

ok quick look around

http://www.defense-update.com/features/du-1-06/urban-armor-6.htm

what makes this possable is this little machine

http://www.defense-update.com/products/t/T-72-tank-support.htm

we are talking BF-evo here dont forget

"The basic Russian T-72/80/90 tank platoon is still their traditional three vehicle formation, however, there are reports of a new concept being examined, under which a five AFV platoon will be established, with four tanks and a BMPT as the fifth vehicle."

 

[BuShips]

There has to be some cross-over units allowed in the game, as the real world has this already.

Doesn't mean there will be in future though, by the timeframe of BF:Evo it could all have changed. The factions might see it a a matter of pride to only field homegrown equipment.

LBH

Absolutley! I agree, but with all of the equipment that preceeded the new toys flooding the market the cheap "surplus" prices might be just too good to ignore. :lol:

 

[Mr Evil]

i think we should think game first, time frame second and real world around 59th with everything else inbetween, real world is a guid, but game comes first, i think prototype units in the game would be more fun than churning out the stuf every other companie doese.

 

[anton970]

I think this should be in wave 7, great bit of kit.....

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=125157&page=23

:wink:

 

[BuShips]

I think this should be in wave 7, great bit of kit.....

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=125157&page=23

:wink:

Now that is funny! :lol: I suppose to make rule stats for it means that you would need to add a saving throw to fire it? :wink:

 

[The Old Soldier]

While new prototype vehicles are all fine, not making some older equipment would not represent well even future forces of the world. There is so much Warsaw Pact vehicles out there, along with older US, French, and German Equipment. Much the lion share is Russia.

Fedyeen BMP-1s were in the gulf region.
BRDMs (BTR-40PB) are still one the largest number of exported armored scout cars.
T-55s, T-62s, and T-72s are plentiful.
Other BTR systems abound.

Don't be fooled thinking the MEA of the future wouldn't be using such vehicles. Many may not be frontline regular army, but the Militia forces could and would use them in large numbers. I could easily see a Militia force with BMP-1s, BRDMs, and T-55s or even 62s.

 

[BuShips]

Don't be fooled thinking the MEA of the future wouldn't be using such vehicles. Many may not be frontline regular army, but the Militia forces could and would use them in large numbers. I could easily see a Militia force with BMP-1s, BRDMs, and T-55s or even 62s.

Yuppers, I sure do agree. BF-109 fighters flew in the Spanish Air Force until 1967. Mexico just retired a WW2 U.S. Fletcher class destroyer. Upgrades, refits and reuse of older but still very functional equipment is more the norm than the exception. They might not be front-line units, but recycled combat vehicles sure do back up those front-line units that grab all of the glamour photos. If Battlefield Evolution takes off for Mongoose sufficiently, I can see a good marketing plan that folds in the "classic" models that we are familiar with. That way, gamers that aren't as interested in the near-future aspects of the game can buy into it for the more conventional games BFE can also support. I'd see it as a method to expand the reach of the game to more gamers. Then it would be a logical step to encompass Korea and WW2 era combat. It could be one heck of a game system.

 

[The Old Soldier]

Yes sir! I did some research for current and projected vehicles in service in the Middle East area. Not counting the Gulf States which mainly use western vehicles, I found the following information.

The most prevailent tank in the middle east is still the T-54/55 series. With over 3,500 operational now, and projected to still be operational in 2015. Add in the T-62s and T-72 series and you have well over 6,500 fully operational Warsaw Pact MBTs in the Middle East. BMP/BTRs run extremely high also. While the Zuligar get all the sexy press projected numbers will barely top a couple of hundred by 2015 at best and that is a stretch.

So, if you want to field a future MEA, look for the T-55 to be in the thick of the fight.

 

[Pietia]

"The basic Russian T-72/80/90 tank platoon is still their traditional three vehicle formation, however, there are reports of a new concept being examined, under which a five AFV platoon will be established, with four tanks and a BMPT as the fifth vehicle."

Note "being examined". Most militaries in the world examine a lot of new concepts and discard them for various (usually economical) reasons - russian military is no exception here. So far there are only a few changes to the current kit in evo - if we discarded all Land Warrior variants, the only new (as in "not in line in significant amounts right now") kit are the Shadows and upgrade of Warrior.
BTW - the five vehicle platoon described in the article you suggested as a reading is as badly suited to urban combat as the three-vehicle platoon. Only one 2-tank section would receive the BMPT assistance, the second section would have to do without it.

 

[DM]

The most prevailent tank in the middle east is still the T-54/55 series

It si probably the most prevalent tank in the world, let alone the Middle East

There is no doubt that the warriors of the BF:Evo future will be facing T55s soemwhere

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

There has to be some cross-over units allowed in the game, as the real world has this already.

Doesn't mean there will be in future though, by the timeframe of BF:Evo it could all have changed. The factions might see it a a matter of pride to only field homegrown equipment.

LBH

Except the MEA already use AK series rifles, Tunguska AAA units, and a variety of russian/soviet RPGs and Draugonov sniper rifles...

 

[The Old Soldier]

LBH wrote: Doesn't mean there will be in future though, by the timeframe of BF:Evo it could all have changed. The factions might see it a a matter of pride to only field homegrown equipment.

The time frame for BFE is only 10 years in the future. Even if the MEA was formed today, they couldn't produce but a handful of homemade vehicles. IT is projected that Iran will only have 100 of thier MBTs available in 2015, even if they started now they could only have a few hundred. Soviet armor is here to stay in the Middle East for a very longtime.