atpollard said:Too Expensive: Yes, I agree.
The price appears to have dropped to about $1 now.
atpollard said:Too Expensive: Yes, I agree.
atpollard said:(...) all Chargen is forbidden under the Traveller Logo License ... so the project died at inception.
atpollard said:Sure, I could pursue a separate license agreement from Mongoose and FFE or I could pitch the idea for publication through Mongoose ...
You are probably correct, however ... well, I guess that I am a coward ... because words like "probably" and "check with your lawyer" tend to push the Risk vs Reward balance deep into the "PASS" category for me.enderra said:atpollard said:(...) all Chargen is forbidden under the Traveller Logo License ... so the project died at inception.
Are you sure you read and understood the license? It's pretty specific about what is not allowed:
[snip good advice]
But anyway, that's all just my opinion. Check with your lawyer if you want a competent evaluation.
atpollard said:You are probably correct, however ... well, I guess that I am a coward ... because words like "probably" and "check with your lawyer" tend to push the Risk vs Reward balance deep into the "PASS" category for me.
One lawsuit, even if you ultimately prevail, can ruin your whole day/week/month/year.
Universal Machine said:The 2d6 SF SRD is separate from but related to the Traveller SRD. The 2d6 SF SRD can be used with the Traveller SRD. Posts here advertising the 2d6 SF SRD keep getting deleted as the 2d6 SF SRD is viewed as competition.
All of our products can be used with the Traveller SRD and/or the TMB/Spica Publishing's/other TPPs books: basic Character Generation (characteristic scores/modifiers), Physical Appearance (height/weight/eye/hair/skin colour), Family Background (parents/relatives/upbringing/family events). Sort out your background skills (coming soon from Universal Machine!), choose a career (also coming soon from Universal Machine!) and away you go.
Universal Machine said:Posts here advertising the 2d6 SF SRD keep getting deleted as the 2d6 SF SRD is viewed as competition.
captainjack23 said:Are there any products on the market that it could be used with that are pure Traveller SRD that arent effected by the Logo licence ? Otgherwise, is this product a systemless chargen system that is coincedentally compatable with the traveller SRD ?
Prime_Evil said:What does this mean in practical terms? It means that you can take the Open Game Content released in the System Reference Document and rework it any way you like - but you can't call it Traveller. You still have to comply with the terms of the Open Game Licence though (especially Section 15) and you can't use any material from products that is designated as Product Identity.
If you want to produce material and indicate that it is compatible with the Traveller game system, you ALSO need to comply with the Traveller Logo Licence.
msprange said:Universal Machine said:Posts here advertising the 2d6 SF SRD keep getting deleted as the 2d6 SF SRD is viewed as competition.
Actually, they keep getting deleted because you never asked us if you could make commercial posts here and seem to be treating these forums as your own stomping ground...
dragoner said:Nobody would blame you for deleting the entire thread. :wink:
Wil Mireu said:captainjack23 said:Are there any products on the market that it could be used with that are pure Traveller SRD that arent effected by the Logo licence ? Otgherwise, is this product a systemless chargen system that is coincedentally compatable with the traveller SRD ?
This: http://www.sceaptunegames.co.uk/shop/hyperlite.htm
This product is stand-alone: derived from the familiar Traveller™ OGL SRD, Hyperlite:The Sirius Treaty has many redesigned elements and contains everything you need to take your SF Roleplaying Game in a new direction: the universe of the Sirius Treaty.
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The Traveller™ Core Rulebook is available from Mongoose Publishing.
Prime_Evil said:It's fairly simple. <actually very clear discussion of the topic snipped>....
captainjack23 said:So, anything released under the OGL is open and can be used, this includes D&D, traveller, and any of the other stuff. However, using Just the OGL means you can't say it works with, is compatible with, or is designed for the closed ruleset, correct ?
Open Game Licence said:7. Use of Product Identity: You agree not to Use any Product Identity, including as an indication as to compatibility, except as expressly licensed in another, independent Agreement with the owner of each element of that Product Identity. You agree not to indicate compatibility or co-adaptability with any Trademark or Registered Trademark in conjunction with a work containing Open Game Content except as expressly licensed in another, independent Agreement with the owner of such Trademark or Registered Trademark. The use of any Product Identity in Open Game Content does not constitute a challenge to the ownership of that Product Identity. The owner of any Product Identity used in Open Game Content shall retain all rights, title and interest in and to that Product Identity.
captainjack23 said:The example of Hyperlite seems to imply compatibility pretty strongly, and discusses it at length (p 11) and references the core books as would be required, but doesn't use the logo (or repro the logo license). The heck ?
captainjack23 said:So it seems that calling it the 2d6 SF OGL is a way to avoid invoking Traveller even by name ?
msprange said:Universal Machine said:Posts here advertising the 2d6 SF SRD keep getting deleted as the 2d6 SF SRD is viewed as competition.
Actually, they keep getting deleted because you never asked us if you could make commercial posts here and seem to be treating these forums as your own stomping ground...
Prime_Evil said:However, having said this there may be circumstances where the publisher can't comply with all of the requirements in the logo compatibility licence OR where the derivative product they create is no longer recognizable as Traveller in any meaningful sense. In both of those cases, calling it something else is reasonable.
atpollard said:... "Paleo Wanderer" ...