Pretty important, I've just noticed something.

[MaxSteiner]

I thought we were getting the points on the boxes? Although having just read through the announcement again I didn't see it... Either way we definatly need that on the box too.
Although I suppose that could hamper sales of the cheaper units just a little bit (unless the cheaper units were the ones with the most tactical flexibility)... hmmm thinking on it, if they really are poseable they could all be the same apart from maybe three varient heads and the weapons and the price could be driven down slightly allowing more to be rammed in a box!
It seems wierd to be saying it, but the packaging could very well turn out to be one of the most important considerations in the launch!

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

I thought we were getting the points on the boxes? Although having just read through the announcement again I didn't see it... Either way we definatly need that on the box too.
Although I suppose that could hamper sales of the cheaper units just a little bit (unless the cheaper units were the ones with the most tactical flexibility)... hmmm thinking on it, if they really are poseable they could all be the same apart from maybe three varient heads and the weapons and the price could be driven down slightly allowing more to be rammed in a box!
It seems wierd to be saying it, but the packaging could very well turn out to be one of the most important considerations in the launch!

I agree 100% (I'll bet there are people who never thought that would happen).

On the Box - Selections at each PL (and what points mean which PL for Bugs), Points Value of the Models inside.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Good solution there, especially as the point could conceivably vary quite bit depending on the units equipment (like with the MI in SST).

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Good solution there, especially as the point could conceivably vary quite bit depending on the units equipment (like with the MI in SST).

As a marketing tool this could be VERY powerful, it will mean people planning armies faster - and therefore (at least theoretically) buying more.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Also means that parents buying things for their kids at christmas/birthdays will actually have an idea what the heck they oughta be buying
Probably gonna help for the impulse buying too "I need a unit of Navy Seals.... hmmm but if I take a Apache I could field a PL3 force!"

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Also means that parents buying things for their kids at christmas/birthdays will actually have an idea what the heck they oughta be buying
Probably gonna help for the impulse buying too "I need a unit of Navy Seals.... hmmm but if I take a Apache I could field a PL3 force!"

VERY true.

I can't wait, I get a feeling I might be able to lure Adams' fellow club members away from Clicky Games completely.

 

[CudaHP]

The "best" use I have ever seen for the old prepainted "tin soldiers" was in the movie "Patriot" where Mel Gibson melted his murdered son's toy soldiers into bullets for battle.

These soldiers were frequently made from pewter at the time. The pewter alloy of the Revolutionary War period included quite a high Lead content.

Makes you wonder how much effect Pewter had on the health of its users, since they made plates, cups mugs and various eating utinsels out of pewter.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

The "best" use I have ever seen for the old prepainted "tin soldiers" was in the movie "Patriot" where Mel Gibson melted his murdered son's toy soldiers into bullets for battle.

These soldiers were frequently made from pewter at the time. The pewter alloy of the Revolutionary War period included quite a high Lead content.

Makes you wonder how much effect Pewter had on the health of its users, since they made plates, cups mugs and various eating utinsels out of pewter.

Yea Lol!

And using Lead pipes for water and such!

It puts me in mind of the story about the Alchemist who strapped radium to his scrotum because he thought it would make him more potent LMAO!

 

[Rob_A]

The "best" use I have ever seen for the old prepainted "tin soldiers" was in the movie "Patriot" where Mel Gibson melted his murdered son's toy soldiers into bullets for battle.

These soldiers were frequently made from pewter at the time. The pewter alloy of the Revolutionary War period included quite a high Lead content.

Makes you wonder how much effect Pewter had on the health of its users, since they made plates, cups mugs and various eating utinsels out of pewter.

During the victorian age, people who had 'died' from drinking wine out of the bottle were left a week before being embalmed. The reason being that the rims of bottles were made of lead, and sometimes the person would wake up in the morgue.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Never heard of lead knocking anyone out like that (unless in pipe form and hit on the head)... it tends to build up in your system and gives you progressive brain damage.
Look how much lead your average gamer has handled, couple that with the aluminium flakes in the original metallics.
We've got no hope

 

[xeoran]

Well the Romans used lead water piupes which didnt help...

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

It seems wierd to be saying it, but the packaging could very well turn out to be one of the most important considerations in the launch!

Marketing: Product, Price, Place (Distribution) and Promotion.

Packaging is a KEY component of any marketing strategy and falls under the category of Promotion. In fact, POS (Point of Sale) or Product packaging can make or break a product before the consumer ever even sees the product.

Slap-on labels was yet another thing that hurt SST v.1.

For these new figs, all the info that a complete neophyte needs should be ON the box, not in it.

 

[mthomason]

I think one of the biggest plusses to the new range will be the transparent window on the packaging.

If the figures look rubbish, people will see, and they will not sell.

There is, therefore, far more incentive to make the figures look good in the first place - if there are mould lines, bad sculpts, bad moulding, or the paint job is not up to that advertised, then people will be able to see that before even buying the product and they'll just leave them on the shelves.

 

[bunkerboi]

Ditto about the importance of the packaging!

I know it's a surprisingly large component of the cost but that's no excuse for sub-par looks. I agree with Scip that the slap on labels did nothing for SST v.1 appeal for the last few rounds of releases.

I'm a bit sheltered selling online but a product still only has those 5 seconds to make a good first impression on the customer and POS & Packaging has a lot to do with this.

 

[Voronesh]

Im gone for a day.....and this thread actually turns useful. ^^.

At least there are enough people out there that agree with me, or dont have to make me change my opinion a full time job

And i definitely have to agree here. Information has to be printed on the box. Not in it.....

Imagine the thought train:
A: Ahh so this unit of MI/Marines/whatever will cost x points and can be fielded at y PL level for z amount of times.
B: So thiese are the MI/Marines/whatever. Nice looking. Now how do i fit them in my army.....doohhhh what no point values still.....gotta check internet first and come back later (Or buy elsewhere, or maybe online, or be pissed and not at all.....)

I think B especially applies to people going into the game....

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

And i definitely have to agree here. Information has to be printed on the box. Not in it.....

The problem is that if ALL the information is printed ON the box, people can decide to write it down (I've seen people write down sections of Army Books at Warhammer World) and then use proxies instead of buying SST Models.

 

[mthomason]

Depending on how stats for new units will be distributed (I was assuming in the box for "new" version and in S&P/rules updates for the "old" version, although possibly both in the box I guess), then points values on the boxes would be a great addition (I'd like to see background text describing the unit as well). Stats need to be kept inside the box though, as the Lt. says to encourage people to buy the official models and not proxy alternatives.

 

[MaxSteiner]

People really copy stuff out of books? Jeebus you couldnt even pick up the books if you weren't going to buy them in the local near me (But the owner made the mistake of letting his son run it, who immediatly decided that what RPGers wanted (In addition to martial arts equipment) was Gangster Rap clothing... Obviously that store isn't in business any more.

Um.... oh yeah I can sort of agree with the stats thing, but people are going to use proxies if they want to regardless, the main rule book will have all of the units stats in and the old stats will be in S&P.
I'm up for a card with the details and some of the stats on the back, you know important stuff like hits and damage so you can geta rough idea of their effectiveness before buying, just because if its only in one place I'd lose it.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

People really copy stuff out of books? Jeebus you couldnt even pick up the books if you weren't going to buy them in the local near me (But the owner made the mistake of letting his son run it, who immediatly decided that what RPGers wanted (In addition to martial arts equipment) was Gangster Rap clothing... Obviously that store isn't in business any more.

The Store in the 1st Shopping Centre I ran was the worst, they would stand there reading. Then they would put the book down, wander away and scribble in a book. Then wander back again and start reading.

It got so bad at one point, I started putting the Books in bags.

The lad in Warhammer World had bought a unit he obviousley didn't know the rules for Lol.

Um.... oh yeah I can sort of agree with the stats thing, but people are going to use proxies if they want to regardless, the main rule book will have all of the units stats in and the old stats will be in S&P.

But knowing how many people don't bother buying the main Rule book, some smart arses will buy the cheapest box they can JUST for the quickstart rules and the go for 2nd hand or proxies for the rest.

If one does it, others do it. When I took over running the 2nd Shopping Center store, it was surprising how many kids didn't own Rules let alone Army Books.

Generally younger gamers will always buy miniatures, but see to avoid buying books at all costs.

I'm up for a card with the details and some of the stats on the back, you know important stuff like hits and damage so you can geta rough idea of their effectiveness before buying, just because if its only in one place I'd lose it.

So I say No - stats should remain in the Box, it would create a minefield for Mongoose in the long run. Good Lord we've all been buying things for ages without them on the outside of the box - so whats the big difference.

Points Value, Priority Level, function on the Battlefield. Maybe a link address for SSTE Downloads - thats all. Anything else is potentially very problimatic.

 

[xeoran]

Pop stast cards at the back of the box out of sight of the plastic window (minis in the way).

Aside from that copying info is easy.