Major Chaos
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
So just how long are we supposed to wait for a rules update to a game that has never played right??? If I had not spent all this time painting my figs and making terrain I would have already dumped this mess.
Pretty important, I've just noticed something.
- Thread starter JoseDominguez
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So just how long are we supposed to wait for a rules update to a game that has never played right??? If I had not spent all this time painting my figs and making terrain I would have already dumped this mess.
Maybe, maybe not.
I dont like painting too much, but i wouldnt go without it.
Necrons are easy to paint, i might just have bought the Necrons unpainted anyway.
Im currently doing a Deathwing army for 40k, every model in the game (at least infantry) are going to get green stuff for a mantle and pretty much all the detail supplied in the boxes.
I just hope special ordering is easy, and can be done at the LGS. I hate extra work, just to get the game.....
And as always i might be oldfashioned, but i think painting is part of the hobby.
Plus im hopelessly trying to be different. Prepainted kinda is the opposite direction.
And we can agree to disagree. Simply because you will not be able to change my mind about the prepainted stuff. Some might like it, i dont. (I have a penchant for elite armies with few numbers, so prepainted is even less of an advantage for me)
I dont like painting too much, but i wouldnt go without it.
Necrons are easy to paint, i might just have bought the Necrons unpainted anyway.
Im currently doing a Deathwing army for 40k, every model in the game (at least infantry) are going to get green stuff for a mantle and pretty much all the detail supplied in the boxes.
I just hope special ordering is easy, and can be done at the LGS. I hate extra work, just to get the game.....
And as always i might be oldfashioned, but i think painting is part of the hobby.
Plus im hopelessly trying to be different. Prepainted kinda is the opposite direction.
And we can agree to disagree. Simply because you will not be able to change my mind about the prepainted stuff. Some might like it, i dont. (I have a penchant for elite armies with few numbers, so prepainted is even less of an advantage for me)
tneva82 said:
Uhh right and put in even more work....... Just cutting up about every single mini i get........
If people who dont like to paint gedt prepainted, why dont people who like to assemble and stuff minis get the simple unassembled stuff.
As I said, call me old-fashioned, but i like assembling minis straight from the white/grey frame they come from, and i think painting is part of the hobby. Oh and there is something nice about metal grizzlies too.
JoseDominguez
Mongoose
And all of that stuff will be available too, you just order it, for christ's sake, at the moment SST is vanishing from shops, this will save it, make it something unique.
And you say 'I don't like extra work, just to get into the game'
'I don't like painting much'
Then complain about prepainted models, even though all of the unpainted ones will still be available (and as easy to order as they are now).
What if you won the lottery, would yould complain about having to carry all of that heavy money home?
And you say 'I don't like extra work, just to get into the game'
'I don't like painting much'
Then complain about prepainted models, even though all of the unpainted ones will still be available (and as easy to order as they are now).
What if you won the lottery, would yould complain about having to carry all of that heavy money home?
Oh my GOD. This is starking to feel like a conspiration.
Different people taking my posts, and turning them upside down.
Yes i dont like painting too much, BUT I think its part of the hobby. Heck my LGS says he doesnt like ONE bit of STT prepainted, and hes only gonna sell the stuff.
Why Special order, apparently MGP thinks 90% of all gamers are gonna buy prepainted. Maybe so, but why the extra work for SPECIAL order....EE has special order for mail order only stuff.......if they mean, just order via our site, thats fine by me. Just the wording is very poor.....
And yes if you want to misread my posts, please continue to do so. I dont like extra work, like havin to basically pin half an octurion, because MGP has rather bad quality control, check out what happened with Drakh Motherships that were sold.....
I like to get my shiny box, unwrap it, and assemble minis, base them, and then paint em real slowly, and then play.
We agree to disagree, let leave it at that, before my posts get even more diluted and messed up.
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Different people taking my posts, and turning them upside down.
Yes i dont like painting too much, BUT I think its part of the hobby. Heck my LGS says he doesnt like ONE bit of STT prepainted, and hes only gonna sell the stuff.
Why Special order, apparently MGP thinks 90% of all gamers are gonna buy prepainted. Maybe so, but why the extra work for SPECIAL order....EE has special order for mail order only stuff.......if they mean, just order via our site, thats fine by me. Just the wording is very poor.....
And yes if you want to misread my posts, please continue to do so. I dont like extra work, like havin to basically pin half an octurion, because MGP has rather bad quality control, check out what happened with Drakh Motherships that were sold.....
I like to get my shiny box, unwrap it, and assemble minis, base them, and then paint em real slowly, and then play.
We agree to disagree, let leave it at that, before my posts get even more diluted and messed up.
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Voronesh said:
Maybe because converting and repainting will be easy enough that there won't be demand for un-prepared models...Why do it hard way when there's easy way to convert and paint the models...
If there's not big demand there's also no point in carrying them in stores. That will just cost extra.
JoseDominguez
Mongoose
Seriously, do you prefer the current system? Where SST is vanishing from the shelves and losing momentum?
I have to special order everything, I no longer have a LGS stocking SST. So to me, no difference at all.
I have to special order everything, I no longer have a LGS stocking SST. So to me, no difference at all.
It has been stated that in so far as rules all the current Pre-Evo figures will be available and will be supported with free stat downloads to ensure compatibility. Current figures continue to be available for extended period. Matt said ten years.
For those whining about rules updates read S & P 36
It has rules for Recruit MI as well as article on converting a toy/model to act as an APC.
In addition, nice opening article on Battlefield Evo.
So if you are through compaining that they (Mongoose) aree abandoning current SST read the S & P.
As for Major Chaos complaint about the game never playing right? Right is a purely subjective opinion laden term, i. e. what is right to him may not be right to me.
At least MGP releases updates and rulings on this Forum.
So either wait until the rest of the updates and information appear in S & P or don't. It would be nice if MGP would send each of us 7 free fully professionally painted armies with an absolutely flawless, unable to be manipulated ruleset, but that is not going to happen.
Even then many would whimper and whine because they were not able to assemble and paint their own armies.
Why not realize it is different strokes for different folks and if we want this game and Mongoose to survive, we have to work together to make it happen.
If we do not, then kiss MGP and SST goodbye because neither will survive. When you consider the main alternative systems, I do not think any of us want that to happen.
Read Matthews' announcement about additional Skinnie units that will be released before years end. It is in the SST 2006 releases thread.
For those whining about rules updates read S & P 36
It has rules for Recruit MI as well as article on converting a toy/model to act as an APC.
In addition, nice opening article on Battlefield Evo.
So if you are through compaining that they (Mongoose) aree abandoning current SST read the S & P.
As for Major Chaos complaint about the game never playing right? Right is a purely subjective opinion laden term, i. e. what is right to him may not be right to me.
At least MGP releases updates and rulings on this Forum.
So either wait until the rest of the updates and information appear in S & P or don't. It would be nice if MGP would send each of us 7 free fully professionally painted armies with an absolutely flawless, unable to be manipulated ruleset, but that is not going to happen.
Even then many would whimper and whine because they were not able to assemble and paint their own armies.
Why not realize it is different strokes for different folks and if we want this game and Mongoose to survive, we have to work together to make it happen.
If we do not, then kiss MGP and SST goodbye because neither will survive. When you consider the main alternative systems, I do not think any of us want that to happen.
Read Matthews' announcement about additional Skinnie units that will be released before years end. It is in the SST 2006 releases thread.
Heh Im turning into the guy with the black vision ^^.
New stuff staying for ten years? Uhhh EE might be able to say that, MGP sure doesnt have any ability to say that. Especially not after their current system has practically died.
Change? Id love some change. I play ACTA and the new ships mostly look soandso. My LGS first opinion? "I can do better."
Seriously I have just gotten a huge load pf pushbacks and ships i certainly wont buy, cause for 50 bucks i can get better stuff. Not EE, but also metal.
Yes that might be the reason why im so sceptical about MGP right now. Cause while new stuff for ACTA is good, the models aint (I aint mentioning the Drakh, cause theyre actually correct....).
New stuff staying for ten years? Uhhh EE might be able to say that, MGP sure doesnt have any ability to say that. Especially not after their current system has practically died.
Change? Id love some change. I play ACTA and the new ships mostly look soandso. My LGS first opinion? "I can do better."
Seriously I have just gotten a huge load pf pushbacks and ships i certainly wont buy, cause for 50 bucks i can get better stuff. Not EE, but also metal.
Yes that might be the reason why im so sceptical about MGP right now. Cause while new stuff for ACTA is good, the models aint (I aint mentioning the Drakh, cause theyre actually correct....).
WTF?
New stuff staying for ten years? Uhhh EE might be able to say that, MGP sure doesnt have any ability to say that. Especially not after their current system has practically died.
-It has not died. If anything it is going from strength to strength.
Change? Id love some change. I play ACTA and the new ships mostly look soandso. My LGS first opinion? "I can do better."
-Then why don't you?
Seriously I have just gotten a huge load pf pushbacks and ships i certainly wont buy, cause for 50 bucks i can get better stuff. Not EE, but also metal.
-Why are you talking about B5 in the wrong forum?
New stuff staying for ten years? Uhhh EE might be able to say that, MGP sure doesnt have any ability to say that. Especially not after their current system has practically died.
-It has not died. If anything it is going from strength to strength.
Change? Id love some change. I play ACTA and the new ships mostly look soandso. My LGS first opinion? "I can do better."
-Then why don't you?
Seriously I have just gotten a huge load pf pushbacks and ships i certainly wont buy, cause for 50 bucks i can get better stuff. Not EE, but also metal.
-Why are you talking about B5 in the wrong forum?
Why am i talking about B5? Cause its the same comapny last i checked.
And last time around EE didnt have a game which was well supported and at an acceptable price.......
You know companies generally dont have different types of quality.
Uhh STT is not quite dead true. But theyr are tolling the bell on the current incarnation, along with the hobby. Cause if they go prepainted, its still a wargame, but it aint classical tabeltop anymore. Thats like saying MWA is just part of tabletop too, just collectible, uhh no. Im maybe a little elitist, but i wont consider that.
Uhh why dont I? Sure I will, but thats not the point. Point is, if i can do better, MGP wont make any money.......which means the game will die. I hope the Minis will be good as the initial stuff, but current situation isnt very nice, except this cloud has a silver lining.
Im realistic, thats it. ACTA isnt going down the drain, but i have yet to see a good ship from MGP for quite some time....
And last time around EE didnt have a game which was well supported and at an acceptable price.......
You know companies generally dont have different types of quality.
Uhh STT is not quite dead true. But theyr are tolling the bell on the current incarnation, along with the hobby. Cause if they go prepainted, its still a wargame, but it aint classical tabeltop anymore. Thats like saying MW
A is just part of tabletop too, just collectible, uhh no. Im maybe a little elitist, but i wont consider that.Uhh why dont I? Sure I will, but thats not the point. Point is, if i can do better, MGP wont make any money.......which means the game will die. I hope the Minis will be good as the initial stuff, but current situation isnt very nice, except this cloud has a silver lining.
Im realistic, thats it. ACTA isnt going down the drain, but i have yet to see a good ship from MGP for quite some time....
Voronesh said:Uhh STT is not quite dead true. But theyr are tolling the bell on the current incarnation, along with the hobby. Cause if they go prepainted, its still a wargame, but it aint classical tabeltop anymore. Thats like saying MW
So offering players choise of having your models pre-painted is bad? Afterall nothing stops players from painting over(nor converting) if they want...
More choises is never bad thing. And these choises are actually good quality rather than being poorly pre-painted.
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Voronesh said:Uhh STT is not quite dead true. But theyr are tolling the bell on the current incarnation, along with the hobby. Cause if they go prepainted, its still a wargame, but it aint classical tabeltop anymore. Thats like saying MW
That's not a "little" elitist, that's totally elitist. Where do you draw the line? Is it OK if the minis are painted, but not by the person playing? Because I regularly paint minis for my friends. Is my mate who's been playing BattleTech for 10+ years, plus Warhamer 40K before that, as well as Warmachine, hordes, void and Warzone less of a wargamer because his minis are largely painted by other people?
As I've said before, what's the point worrying about whether the miniatures have been painted by the player or not - there's a chance they've paid someone else to do it for them anyway so they're still not "their" work.
Actually, I'd rather play against someone with prepainted minis than someone who couldn't paint...
Actually, I'd rather play against someone with prepainted minis than someone who couldn't paint...
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Exactly. SST is a fantastic system and hopefully Evo's revisions will only improve on it. If someone's going to complain about a game like Mechwarrior or Heroclix or Axis and Allies, it should be on the merits of the system, rather than the nature of the models or the distribution method.
Lorcan Nagle said:
Amen. My biggest gripes with mechwarrior
A is not with the models(though I hate the random collecting stuff) or anything like that but the fact it just doesn't FEEL like battletech game felt...I'm actually wondering how I could simplify old battletech rules enough that it wouldn't be so goddammit slow to play but would feel similar. Ah the problems
If I could get that working I could start trying to get those MW
A models second handed(to avoid buying it randomly. Me hates that).Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
tneva82 said:Amen. My biggest gripes with mechwarrior
I'm actually wondering how I could simplify old battletech rules enough that it wouldn't be so goddammit slow to play but would feel similar. Ah the problems
If I could get that working I could start trying to get those MW
Have you got the CBT miniatures rules? There's a simplified veriosn of the rules in there.
