Planet Buster weapons?

Iron Domokun said:
Anyway, such a planet-used-as-gravity-towtruck idea could be used to destroy a planet by pulling it into an orbit which will cause it to hit the star.

If you have enough tech to move something like Neptune, you don't need Neptune in order to destroy Earth
 
rust said:
Iron Domokun said:
I recall a Larry Niven novel in which Neptune was fitted with an enormous engine ...
Ah ... how does one fit an engine to a gas giant planet ? :shock:

oooooh. It's gonna cost you. The problem with these gas giant engines is you just can't get the parts. I'll ring me mate Terry and see if he's got any, but I might have to call the depot. (British garage humor).
 
Some parts of this thread remind me of my previous neighbour, a nice
young lady with a university degree in the social sciences. One day we
all went outside to watch a lunar eclipse, where I heard her explain to
her young daughter that a lunar eclipse happens "when the Sun moves
between Earth and Moon".
 
The Pluto-into-Saturn thing is mentioned in Cstars as a plot by cultists for an unknown reason (I think I have clocked on why theyre attempting though). Why put the plot-seed in, if it cant happen?

I still havent got round to actually seeing/reading all of 2010 (Though I know the basic story and I have seen 2001 recently).

I'm trying to iron out the scientific inaccuracies of Cstars and I am of the idea now, that if an occurance happened in which Saturn could be made as a temporary star with little lifespan due to the reasons above, some of the ice along Europa, along with the Ice Giants Uranus and Neptune, would thaw slightly due to increased closeness to a source of heat.
This is what happens in 2010 when Europa is thawed for life to grow there. I could see something like this having a further reaching effect to the Ice Giants - or not, opinions?
 
zero said:
Why put the plot-seed in, if it cant happen?
You would have to ask this the author, I suspect he considered a bom-
bastic plan of brain dead cultists more interesting than the laws of natu-
re which would make any success of this plan absolutely impossible -
the real Saturn cannot become a star this way, not even for a second,
the plan to throw Pluto at Saturn to turn it into a star is the equivalent
of the idea to throw a mouse at a cat to turn it into an elephant. This
does of course not mean that you cannot use the plot, only that it would
be prudent to distinguish between the game's universe and the real one.
 
zero said:
Why put the plot-seed in, if it cant happen?

Many scientific theories don't pan out and end up falsified. But, for long periods of time, people still believe in them. If the cultists believe it would work and, the players believe the theory, what does it matter if, ultimately it doesn't work?
 
You would have to ask this the author, I suspect he considered a bombastic plan of brain dead cultists more interesting than the laws of natu
re which would make any success of this plan absolutely impossible -
the real Saturn cannot become a star this way, not even for a second,
the plan to throw Pluto at Saturn to turn it into a star is the equivalent
of the idea to throw a mouse at a cat to turn it into an elephant. This
does of course not mean that you cannot use the plot, only that it would
be prudent to distinguish between the game's universe and the real one.

Latter comment especially true in this case; it's also possible (haven't read the specific quote) that it's not simply the mass of pluto that's the issue.

This is Cthonian Stars under discussion, after all, and hence 'Cthulu Did It' is a perfectly valid answer to any scientific impossibility; if an elder entity is on pluto, for example, might do just about anything the GM requires if being fired into the bottom of a jovian gravity well/magnetosphere/whatever.
 
If you're going to ignite a gas giant and a planet doesn't have enough mass, just do what the Klikiss, and subsequently Humans, did in the Saga of the Seven Suns books. Open up a wormhole from a neutron star to the gas giant, then dump the neutron star into the gas giant. And hope nobody is living in the gas giant when you do. :twisted:

Alternatively, don't bother with the gas giant, just dump the neutron star onto the planet you want to kill. Then all you have to worry about, which was never really addressed in the books, is what happens to the rest of the star system when the gravity associated with the sudden introduction of a neutron star's mass takes effect. :D
 
Well, if one has the technology to move something with the mass of a
neutron star and to create a wormhole that remains stable despite the
gravity of a neutron star moving through it, one could just as well tell
all the Old Ones to **** off, retire as a deity and spend one's time wat-
ching the antics of one's cultists. 8)
 
Really I'd like to know where theyre going with the metaplot, which will be in The Void rpg now.

They hint that the Gas Giants may hold unnamed Great Old Ones or alien races (I suspect the races may appear in the Horrors of the Void pdf, which may not happen now - at least for Cstars)

If something like this is threatened to happen (whether it would the metaplot wouldve said), there are probably Eldritch abominations in Saturn and/or Pluto.

I find it interesting that the MiGo in this game are cultists who are willing to sacrifice their own dwarf planet for whatever the goal is (they are noted as collaborating with human cultists, but dont say what cults exactly they join).

Well, I never planned to have this more than a background element, but yeah, looks like the answer is basically "a wizard did it".
 
build a giant Bussard ram jet above a gas giant
use gravity plates to hold it's position
aim and use the jet as a flame thrower at planets in the system
think of it as a solar flare that you aim and hose a planet over time instead of a quick flare flung at random
 
Given the distances and spread of such a thing, you'd probably have better success using those elements to build a planet fed laser (apply Dr. Evil's trademark pinky to lips maneuver...)
 
Given the tech needed to fire Pluto out of its orbit to use as a space cue-ball (probably advanced Migou tech too), I think we've got the tech needed to do some kind of long-term damage some how.
 
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