Pavis Rises

[andyl]

What happened to the table at the bottom of page 13?

Quite a few parts of words seem to have gone missing.

"600 days hard labour llowed by ulsion from the city"
"3 SP per day of rading and a 6 month ban on radinig"
"Vandalism/Property amage"
"equal to the cost of the amage"

So far this is the only significant problem I've spotted.

However layout needs improving (still). For example the character block on the top of page 84 (and others). Why the white space. Also a space has gone missing (example page 84 "Manipulate 68%Banish" in Yuroona Bronzetalker's character block.

Generally for character stats (eg. page 124/125) I would like a bit more visual separation - not white space but boxes or dividers or something - but I appreciate that may be a personal preference.

There is no credit for Layout on the credits page at the front. Does that mean there isn't someone for whom that is their primary role?

 

[Loz]

It was clearly a Lost in Translation issue when the text was imported into the table.

Here's the table text in full:

Crime Typical Punishment

Affray 5 to 10 days hard labour
Arson Death
Assault 20 to 100 days hard labour and 1,000 SP Fine
Burglary 100 days hard labour and 500 SP fine
Carrying an unlicensed and/or unbound weapon 100 SP fine and confiscation
Grievous harm 50 to 100 days hard labour and 2,000 SP Fine
Manslaughter 600 days hard labour followed by expulsion from the city
Mugging 50 to 100 days hard labour and 2,000 SP Fine
Murder Death
Pick-pocketing/Shoplifting 5 to 10 days hard labour
Public Drunkenness 1 day hard labour and 100 SP Fine
Rape Death
Trading without a licence 3 SP per day of trading and a 6 month ban on trading within the city walls
Vandalism/Property Damage 20 to 100 days hard labour and Fine equal to the cost of the damage
Treason or orchestrating a threat to Pavis Death

 

[danbuter]

So, basically Mongoose layout and editing still needs LOTS of work. After this many years, you'd think they would know what they are doing.

 

[Loz]

I've just been back to my proofing PDF copy of Pavis and the crimes and punishment table is missing a couple of 'd' letters and 't' letters on a small number of table entries (somehow the first letters of the words damage and trade got chopped off when the text was imported to the table structure in Indesign). This is actually an easy miss even for dedicated proof readers, and this book had three sets of proofing eyes go over it.

As for layout - yes, there's some white space in the stat blocks and I dare say we could tighten up the presentation on those, but, for the most part, the layout for Pavis is good.

 

[andyl]

Yep so far I have spotted 9 missing letters in a table. This was the only editing issue I have found. Although I haven't read it all closely yet ... These type of issues are easier to find if you are coming at it blind rather than having worked with the ms for some time.

The rest is more a visual thing not a content thing. Stat blocks with white space. Maybe a few more graphical elements to help the blocks stand out from the main text. These aren't show-stoppers. The are mere niggles but important ones IMO. I believe layout is an important job - and certainly one that should get credited.

 

[ledpup]

So, basically Mongoose layout and editing still needs LOTS of work. After this many years, you'd think they would know what they are doing.

I don't know why people are excessively criticising Mongoose for editing mistakes. Of the books I have, they all seem fine. I've found errors (missing spell descriptions and occasional spelling/grammar error) but they're generally fine. The content (what's actually written and how it's written) it's good stuff. Better than most RPG books I've read in the past.

I think they've probably stuffed up a few things in the past, and maybe they will in the future, but the bulk of the RQ2 and Glorantha stuff is perfectly acceptable.

 

[danbuter]

I guess stuff like Adventurerers just annoys me.

Unless it's Old Norse for Adventurers.

 

[Exubae]

bulk of the RQ2 and Glorantha stuff is perfectly acceptable.

I don't think anyone minds minor gliches, as long as they're patched up by errata ASAP.

 

[Vagni]

So, basically Mongoose layout and editing still needs LOTS of work. After this many years, you'd think they would know what they are doing.

I don't know why people are excessively criticising Mongoose for editing mistakes. Of the books I have, they all seem fine. I've found errors (missing spell descriptions and occasional spelling/grammar error) but they're generally fine. The content (what's actually written and how it's written) it's good stuff. Better than most RPG books I've read in the past.

I think they've probably stuffed up a few things in the past, and maybe they will in the future, but the bulk of the RQ2 and Glorantha stuff is perfectly acceptable.

I'm inclined to agree with you - the criticism is often excessive in my opinion. Vikings has one error I am aware of and yet a thread ran on it for several weeks! :roll:

Also Avalon Hill were not exactly immune to errors and omissions when they printed stuff for RQ and my re-reading some of Issaries stuff recently has shown errors as well.

Let's not forget that Mongoose have been responsible for bringing us the best incarnation of RuneQuest to date. Their interpretation of the Second Age in Glorantha is excellent as well. Without them RQ would have just remained a dead game played by a few old faithful.

Given that, I can live with a few errors and I'm quite happy waiting for the errata sheets.

So let's actually give credit where it's due:

WELL DONE MONGOOSE!

 

[taxboy]

Totally agree - well done Mongoose!

 

[ThatGuy]

I don't have Pavis yet, but I agree completely with the sexy shoeless god of War's synopsis.

Although, I will make the caveat that he is NOT MY sexy shoeless god of war.

She lives with me and can be infinitely more terrifying.

 

[Vagni]

I don't have Pavis yet, but I agree completely with the sexy shoeless god of War's synopsis.

Although, I will make the caveat that he is NOT MY sexy shoeless god of war.

She lives with me and can be infinitely more terrifying.

I do hope she doesn't have furry feet! :wink: :lol: :lol: