Passenger Staterooms: Single Travellers vs Couples

Easiest is only to apply the room cost to occupied staterooms. I cannot find where it says you pay that cost even if the room is unoccupied (Low explicitly says per occupied berth so it may be it is being inferred.
it says per stateroom, not per occupied stateroom so it is not intended to be occupied only, if they can say it for low they can say it just as easily for staterooms and didn't, since the Life Support cost for staterooms is what gives you the life support costs for the rest of the occupied parts of the ship, I would think that's intentional.
 
I've said my piece on this. Staterooms and other sleeping accomodations like Barracks give a baseline cost for the overall long term life support cost of a vessel. Things like acceleration couches and other short term stuff does not count towards baseline costs.

On top of that, Cr1000 per person per maintenance period.

If you really want to you can work out the life support used up for a passenger who's on board for an hour - Cr 1000 divided by the number of hours in 4 weeks (672. A credit and a half per hour. Maybe round down to Cr1 per person per hour since there's less food and no sleeping). That might be worth calculating if you're running a Lunar shuttle, I guess. A hundred passengers in seats for a few hours would have a total cost worth calculating.

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easiest solution is to strike out the word food in the Stateroom description. no other changes required
I am fairly sure that would actually fix the entire problem. Well done, Sir!

Edit- Although, to improve life support in future updates. They should just use Volume of the ship, minus fuel tanks, multiplied by the number of sophonts on board, multiplied by whatever cost Mongoose deems appropriate for per person per Volume.

For example...

100-ton ship with 20 tons of fuel

80 multiplied by 3 (1 Crew and 2 passengers) = 240

Then 240 times that magic number that Mongoose assigns for Credits per 1 ton per 1 sophont.
 
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it says per stateroom, not per occupied stateroom so it is not intended to be occupied only, if they can say it for low they can say it just as easily for staterooms and didn't, since the Life Support cost for staterooms is what gives you the life support costs for the rest of the occupied parts of the ship, I would think that's intentional.
There's an awful lot of "unintentional" in the books, I wouldn't hang my hat on that. For example, sometimes life support includes oxygen, heating and lighting, other times heating and lighting are mentioned separately to life support in the same sentence, and in the paragraph on suffocation air is mentioned distinctly from life support.

In the table of costs on p154 it does not explicitly state per "occupied low berth", but it does in the text.

The wording of the per passenger cost indicates it is for life support only (and food/water is never explicitly included in the definition of life support). You can live for days without food or water, but without life support you die in minutes, and only life support provided by staterooms allows an oxygen reservoir to prolong that in the event of a life support failure. Unoccupied rooms don't need to use up food or water. You could easily manage to ensure you only stocked them when passage had been booked and have them serviced after occupation.

It makes more sense to me that unoccupied staterooms don't require life support, food and water (more so than stateroom costs don't include food and water), you could interpret the wording to mean either case (or we would have all have come to a consensus by now).

I glad for the discussion but I think I have reached my conclusion.
 
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How much life support, or just oxygen, do acceleration couches and seats provide?
 
The old adage, if in doubt check the original design intent.
CT 77 LBB:2

"2. Life Support. Each stateroom on a starship, occupied or not, involves a constant overhead cost of CR 2000 per trip made. Each crew member occupies one stateroom; the remainder are available for high or middle passengers. Each low passage berth (cold sleep capsule) involves an overhead cost of CR 100 per trip.
There is a normal limit of one person per stateroom, travelling couples or groups usually taking adjoining staterooms. Military vessels or chartered ships may be used with a double occupancy system (two persons per stateroom) in some cases."

"B. Staterooms: Quarters for the crew and for high and middle passengers are provided in the form of staterooms, containing sleeping and living facilities. Each stateroom is sufficient for one person, and contains all important life support considerations. Staterooms are included in a starship at the cost of CR 500,000 each, and displace 4 tons each. In some starships (especially exploratory vessels, military ships, and privately owned starships), double occupancy is allowed in staterooms, but two persons is the limit that a stateroom will contain.
A non-military starship must have one stateroom for each member of the crew."

The latest version has a cost of Cr.1000 per stateroom (regardless of size) and an additional cost of Cr.1000 per person onboard.
But...
the original was for 2 weeks (one trip), the new rules are for a four week maintenance cycle.
 
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Core rulebook page 180
"COCKPITS Instead of a bridge, ships of 50 tons or less may install a cockpit. This is a self-contained, sealed area that contains a single seat and all controls necessary for the operation of the ship. Cockpits are typically entered via an external hatch or canopy.
A cockpit consumes 1.5 ton of space and costs Cr10000.
A dual cockpit provides space for an additional crew member, such as a sensor operator or dedicated gunner.
This consumes 2.5 tons of space and costs Cr15000. A cockpit is not designed for long term use and only
has life support for 24 hours.
However, pilots will want to leave the cockpit long before then."
 
There's an awful lot of "unintentional" in the books, I wouldn't hang my hat on that. For example, sometimes life support includes oxygen, heating and lighting, other times heating and lighting are mentioned separately to life support in the same sentence, and in the paragraph on suffocation air is mentioned distinctly from life support.

In the table of costs on p154 it does not explicitly state per "occupied low berth", but it does in the text.
One location, the text explicitly states something, but it is not mentioned on the table? That sounds like an oversight. That is vastly different than, you saying that food is paid for from one location when it clearly states that it paid for elsewhere. Your thing about occupied low berth is easy. The text mentions the rule. The text is the rule, the chart is just for handy variable checking. Without the chart the rule still exists, but without the rule, the chart can't exist as there is nothing to explain what the different parts of the chart mean.
The wording of the per passenger cost indicates it is for life support only (and food/water is never explicitly included in the definition of life support). You can live for days without food or water, but without life support you die in minutes, and only life support provided by staterooms allows an oxygen reservoir to prolong that in the event of a life support failure. Unoccupied rooms don't need to use up food or water. You could easily manage to ensure you only stocked them when passage had been booked and have them serviced after occupation.
Food and water are explicitly excluded from being considered life support, but are paid for using the per stateroom life support fee, as it says on page 154 of the CRB

"Life Support and Supplies: Each stateroom on a ship costs Cr1000 every Maintenance Period. This cost covers supplies for the life support system as well as food and water, although meals at this level will be rather spartan."

This covers the cost of supplies for "life support system" as well as the cost of food and water. This means they are clearly separate things.
It makes more sense to me that unoccupied staterooms don't require life support, food and water (more so than stateroom costs don't include food and water), you could interpret the wording to mean either case (or we would have all have come to a consensus by now).
The problem being is that Traveller has pegged life support for the whole ship based on how many staterooms as ship has. A ship with no staterooms has no life support equipment. What they should have done, was made the entire thing 2,000Cr per person Middle, 4,000Cr per person for High, 6,000Cr per person in Luxury and just call it done. Having two life support cost numbers overcomplicates the whole thing.
I glad for the discussion but I think I have reached my conclusion.
It is not interpretation if you have to ignore the plain text. You are ignoring that it does say what is for food and what is not. It is stupid and doesn't make sense, but that is the rule as written. Life support in Traveller is not light and heat. Those are all covered by the Basic power usage of the hull. You know, that 0.2 PPs per ton that ships have to provide enough power for? Life support is basically, air, food, and water. Heat and light are provided by other systems and do not cost extra money
 
Core rulebook page 180
"COCKPITS Instead of a bridge, ships of 50 tons or less may install a cockpit. This is a self-contained, sealed area that contains a single seat and all controls necessary for the operation of the ship. Cockpits are typically entered via an external hatch or canopy.
A cockpit consumes 1.5 ton of space and costs Cr10000.
A dual cockpit provides space for an additional crew member, such as a sensor operator or dedicated gunner.
This consumes 2.5 tons of space and costs Cr15000. A cockpit is not designed for long term use and only
has life support for 24 hours.
However, pilots will want to leave the cockpit long before then."

Option: diaper.

I am thinking that an acceleration couch could be converted to a bed.

And an acceleration seat to a chaise lounge.


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