CordwainerFish
Emperor Mongoose
Murderbot has entered the chatTastes change and no one wants to watch six and a half billion episodes of Shakespeare.
Passenger Staterooms: Single Travellers vs Couples
- Thread starter Terry Mixon
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Yeah, that was a flippant line, but my serious take is that long term life support involves a lot of actual equipment that has running costs based on the rooms served even before you start accounting for the per passenger per trip costs. Traveller bases this on the long term accommodations installed, plus a per passenger overhead.
And... these are normal ship running costs. What a commercial ship has to budget for.
Emergency equipment really is its own thing, so I don't have much issue with lifeboats using different accounting.
And... these are normal ship running costs. What a commercial ship has to budget for.
Emergency equipment really is its own thing, so I don't have much issue with lifeboats using different accounting.
Well, it IS a four ton universal research library. The basic Library program with the equivalent of offline space internet is a free inclusion on all ship computers.
Most of the cost is probably fittings like the holotanks and display screens, but if it includes current research journal subscriptions... MCr4 is getting off cheap.
Bur really, the reason for the volume and price is that it adds +1 to any EDU check for training new skills for everyone on board.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Cosmic Mongoose
I may decide to make grades of Library.
Research Library 6 tons (fancy equipment like you said) 4 MCr
Educational Library 4 tons 1 MCr (for crew skills) 1 MCr
Entertainment Library 4 tons .5 MCr
The 4 ton version already mentions the fancy gear and can be used for research.
Advanced Entertainment systems are only Cr100 to Cr10,000.
Just add some of those to a MCr0.1 per ton common area.
But that comes out quite similar to your Entertainment library anyway.
If you just want a pleasant room to read in, use a basic Common Area.
Advanced Entertainment systems are only Cr100 to Cr10,000.
Just add some of those to a MCr0.1 per ton common area.
But that comes out quite similar to your Entertainment library anyway.
If you just want a pleasant room to read in, use a basic Common Area.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
On the other hand, publishers are unlikely to let go of their cash cow scientific publications.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Nutrition, and training regimes, probably do need education.
Intelligence, for customized ones.
Intelligence, for customized ones.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Cosmic Mongoose
Astrogation for Dummies
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Only Woke ones.
That brings up a good point. I (vaguely) recall Matt (MongooseMatt) replying a long time ago that every stateroom had it's own self-contained set of life support equipment. I believe the answer was in response to life support costs.
I'm not sure I would agree with every room having it's own. Granted if you had the tech you could nearly instantly recycle water in single room, filter the air, process the sewage, etc, so that you didn't have a centralized life support system. In theory it's possible, but we just don't have that technology ourselves today, and we find it more practical to centralize such things for easier maintenance.
But, that maintenance is generally a fixed cost for some of it - though running it at lower than planned capacity can also mean running longer between filter changes since your overall output is less and you don't need to change things out as often as you normally would.
For life support I'm more on the side of if you turn off things to a stateroom you would not incur any of those life support charges. Normal life support infrastructure maintenance costs should be included in your normal ship maintenance costs and be handled during your annual maintenance overhauls. I can't imagine that 52nd century equipment is so crappy that you must maintain in monthly when you don't need to do that today with our own technology. It seems to me to be more of a gaming McGuffin that wasn't well thought out but now it's canon.
Not like we haven't changed other canon things (like they finally fixed the Gazelle after it had existed as a rules violation since it was created).
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Unless the engineering shift, and the bridge crew, carry their own oxygen supply, they'd have to phone it in from their staterooms.
Remotely.
Remotely.
It makes sense that most of the water stuff is localised in the stateroom or fresher. Grey water runoff from a shower pumped into a local filtration system and reservoir for a mostly closed cycle loop. There would likely be a central water storage even so.
Air conditioning needs to be everywhere, but special attention does need to be made where people sleep.
And even with a galley and central larders, you'd expect some food storage in a stateroom, probably at a bar fridge level.
So yeah. I can see it making sense that a good amount of the actual life support equipment is physically located with the stateroom.
Air conditioning needs to be everywhere, but special attention does need to be made where people sleep.
And even with a galley and central larders, you'd expect some food storage in a stateroom, probably at a bar fridge level.
So yeah. I can see it making sense that a good amount of the actual life support equipment is physically located with the stateroom.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
I'd dump grey and black water into the fusion reactor.
I suppose sonic showers are an option.
I suppose sonic showers are an option.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Increase shower stall gravity.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Cosmic Mongoose
Mite robots collecting dust 1 particle at a time.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
You could have them work overnight, while you sleep in your bed.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Better than excreting them on your face.
