Omega Command Destroyer up

[H]

well, it's been some time since they have proved they can do any one thing right, so to do many things at once....;-)

in all fairnes, from the pictures battlefield evo looks pretty sweet. However for ACTA ships, they should sack the entire sculpting team, get in someone competent, heck urobach and Prelude for a start, and stop making such godaweful big ships where the mould collapses. or make them in sections, anything. In the time it has taken to repair or rebuild the mould for the drakh mo-ship, prelude designed, built, and made the nike. OK, his mould is collapsing after 40 or so ships or something, but then he ISN'T a game company!
EP, yup, some of the existing moulds are shocking, the gaps on my bintak from trying to line up the "wings" you could fly a whitestar through. I have said it before, and I will say it again, Mongoose seem to be doing too much, they should take a break, let everything settle, and then pick up key projects to get them sorted BEFORE trying to do new things.

 

[TenaciousB]

New models, may I add, require new molds, and yet the Drakh Mothership mold still hasn't been fixed.

Why do you assume that Mongoose can only do one thing at a time?

I haven't assumed anything. I wouldn't mind if they only did 1 thing at a time - at least that way, it might be done right.

Think Hiff has got it right again, and I mentioned this a while back - it seems like Mongoose have spread themselves a bit thin, and the quality of the products has slipped. Armageddon was a big fat waste of time, and if the time taken to put that book together was put into something more constructive, perhaps there would be more gamers actually playing ACTA than bitching about it.

 

[H]

just to back up tenacious's point, I have played a few tourneys and participation games, not to mention a campaign in my local LGS. Since Armageddon, the tourney has been cancelled through lack of interest, the particpation game was cancelled through lack of interest, the campaign is limping on with about 6 players (was 20ish), and several players have sold their fleets, and the guys i mostly play with aside from the store, are generally pissed off and have lost all faith in the game.

 

[Triggy]

just to back up tenacious's point, I have played a few tourneys and participation games, not to mention a campaign in my local LGS. Since Armageddon, the tourney has been cancelled through lack of interest, the particpation game was cancelled through lack of interest, the campaign is limping on with about 6 players (was 20ish), and several players have sold their fleets, and the guys i mostly play with aside from the store, are generally pissed off and have lost all faith in the game.

That's actually quite sad for you and the guys around the store.

However, the game in general continues to grow and if people can wait then 2nd ed will not only collate everything into one place but will hopefully smooth most of the problems about. I'm not just saying this either - looking at what's on offer and the opinions about, it's looking very promising!

Almost every game has to go through this phase as it outgrows its first/current incarnation and isn't quite at the next incarnation where everything is consolidated and revised (every main GW game has gone through this at least three times).

 

[H]

indeed it is, I still love playing the game, although I hate the constant revisions and re-revisions. I find Flames of war and war machine much better organised in terms of development, I sometimes wonder if mongoose puts too much faith in playtesting (not a slight, their were only 5 of you for too many ships) and seems to overly react to a lot of things, and makes huge swings in decisions. I wil hang on till 2nd ed, but I have no interest at present in buying new models, i WANT a g'vrahn in my fleet statwise, but the model is too ugly and overpriced. I just fear too much damage has been done with the current changes.

 

[katadder]

yeah but GW tends to have around 7 years between incarnations/rules changes not a few months.

 

[Locutus9956]

Im sorry Triggy but I for one am not going to fall for the '2nd Ed will fix everything' line.

Don't forget the 6 months of 'Armageddon will fix everything' we had prior to that.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the game and for the most part I DO like the changes Armageddon brought in but it was still hardly the massive revolution I had hoped for and were still having to get S&P fixes to that book within the first couple of months of its life!

 

[TenaciousB]

I'm with Locutus on this one - i'm getting sick of false promises, as are a lot of people, and 2nd Ed will not be the Holy Grail people think it will be - Armageddon should have been the proper expansion that was promised, not a sorry excuse for a EA list.

There's no point in waiting for 2nd Ed to fix the mistakes of the previous editions/expansions - fix them NOW whilst there are still players playing the game.

 

[thePirv]

And of course, saying v2 wil fix everything, it shouldn't need to. The game shouldn't have been allowed to get into the state it has. I only started playing properly just as SFoS was released, and thngs were good. Then the Tourney lists had to be released to compensate for problems in SFoS. Not a major problem, especially since it was a free download. But then we were promised that Armageddon would fix the problems and be a major expansion to the game.

Armageddon was the biggest mistake ever. Upon release, polls went up showing that just short of 50% of the players on the forums didn't like it, with about 5% saying they just downright hated it, and a smaller proportion saying they absolutely loved it.

Not only was it an incomplete expansion, but was horribly overpriced for what it was, included a major section of pictures of the new ships that could easily have been put in with those respective sips stats instead of being used to try and fill out a severely lacking publication.
Also, most of the book was given over to reprints of the EA list in its 3 incarnations, when many of these stats hadn't changed from the SfoS stats, which is simply another method of filling out the book.

Add to that the fact that the 3 pages of rules updates was only in fact 2 pages of rules and 2 half page pictures. Again, more filler to try and flense out very small actual content.

Then, not a month after Armageddon is released, we have a revision to the Saggitarius printed in the book, and 2 months after release, we hear talk of new rules for the EA Command Omega, again emphasising that Armageddon was horribly flawed from the get go.

On top of it all, there are the very suspect miniatures being released. Many complaints were made about the Drakh minis for having little detail and insead of looking like minis, they look more like blobs of metal (which is exactly what has happened to the Mothership) or sex toys (Carrier). Then the Armageddon level ships are released, and there aren't many people who like them all, and quite a number of people don't like any of them.

If this is any indication of how things are goig at Mongoose, v2 appears to be in real danger. I know ACTA has lost a lot of its player base at the Belfast Dragonslayers club, and if what others are saying is true, this seems to be a fair indication of how things are going at several other clubs.

ACTA is in real danger of flopping totally, and v2 will need to perform miracles in order to stave off this seemingly inevitable death. I have serious reservations that v2 will breathe the new life nto this game that it really needs.

I'll hold on for v2, but i'm already very sceptical, and wouldn't be surprised if i wasn't the only person to quit come v2.

 

[Greg Smith]

There's no point in waiting for 2nd Ed to fix the mistakes of the previous editions/expansions - fix them NOW whilst there are still players playing the game.

So what needs fixing (other than more Drakh and Dilgar ships for you and the Pirv)?

 

[H]

I can't decide if that was a genuine request, or a sly dig ;-)

 

[TenaciousB]

There's no point in waiting for 2nd Ed to fix the mistakes of the previous editions/expansions - fix them NOW whilst there are still players playing the game.

So what needs fixing (other than more Drakh and Dilgar ships for you and the Pirv)?

No need to get sarky - I'm not the only one pissed off with this company.

Personally, I'm still annoyed at the fact that Mongoose tried to rip people off with Armageddon.

Added to the fact that I'm still waiting on my metal stems and bases which were ordered almost 3 months ago.

And yes, new Dilgar and Drakh stuff, which was preached about before the major races got even more ships. Not necessarily an Armageddon ship, but some new ships full stop would wet my appetite.

Also, changing to a points based system over the existing PL system would be nice. Even ditching that farcical Armageddon PL breakdown would be good as well.

 

[TenaciousB]

I can't decide if that was a genuine request, or a sly dig ;-)

I think it was a sly dig, but I answered his question anyways.

 

[thePirv]

There's no point in waiting for 2nd Ed to fix the mistakes of the previous editions/expansions - fix them NOW whilst there are still players playing the game.

So what needs fixing (other than more Drakh and Dilgar ships for you and the Pirv)?

Hows about collapsed molds? 5 months on and people are still waiting to recieve Drakh Motherships that they've paid for in good faith?
Or problems within fleetlists where ships of the same priority are horribly out of balance with one another?
Obscene prices for some minis? (see the T'Rakk for a perfect example)
Bad sculpts that the majority of players don't like and certainly won't pay exorbitant prices for?
Severe problems in Fleet Boxes, such as the majority of the minis in the Shadows box set being unusable in a regular game any more, since they are now too high priority wise?

Just a few issues off the top of my head.

 

[TenaciousB]

Oh yeah, forgot about the breakings of molds and the constant changes for EA ships in Armageddon.

More will come to me, I'm sure of it, and I think thePirv covered most of the stuff anyways.

 

[Shadow Queen]

I got the Drakh fleet box some time ago, discovering a burnt mini (Lets call it the mothership) apon cotacting nick he said keep hold of it and we'll send out another one this was at the July 22nd openday thats 5 of waiting and hassling mind i got the boxset from an other online retailer. 5 months for the mould to be redone i was going to pass it on to another but i think he's lost interest.

So who's passing the buck??????

 

[thePirv]

Oh wait, also the poor quality of existing models where the molds are so worn out, the ships need heavy restructuring in order to fit them together, and the extreme amounts of flash present on the minis?
Considering the rapidly increasing price of tin, which will soon force all minis companies to increase prices radically, maybe Mongoose could save themselves a small fortune in the long run by getting new molds made up now for the older ships and not wasting so much raw material over the next few years? Because really, some of the minis are a disgrace.

 

[tneva82]

yeah but GW tends to have around 7 years between incarnations/rules changes not a few months.

And every so often FAQ's promptly changes part of game.

Nevermind when those rule changes come players are often left with bucketload of models that are no longer legal. How many ships Armageddon prevents you from using?

 

[katadder]

aah but we havent had a new edition yet. but whilst no ships will be stopped from being used, some will end up on the shelf through nerfing.

 

[Shadow Queen]

like out comes Armageddon then change some ships like the white star so your b$%%^%$ when you roll an get better AD for the weapons system