Next Armageddon Fix?
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Locutus9956
Mongoose
I think you missed a really big one that needs doing:
Warlock back to war level!!! PLEEEAAASE MONGOOSE!!!!
Out of the options listed though Id vote for the Nemesis as its frankly a bit naff for a whole Armageddon point.
As for the WS varients the only fix I can think of for them involves a large hammer.....
Warlock back to war level!!! PLEEEAAASE MONGOOSE!!!!
Out of the options listed though Id vote for the Nemesis as its frankly a bit naff for a whole Armageddon point.
As for the WS varients the only fix I can think of for them involves a large hammer.....
yeah, the last option often doesn't show up on mine.
I have actually gone for the Neroon. I was personally a bit disgusted that the Warlock, Nemesis, Ka'BinTak etc were all above the Sharlin, it was the daddy of all ships, and should have remained so!, but the Neroon is so overall poor in my opinion, and thats someone who regularly gets beat of Minbari. It's a nice "fleet" ship, but far too fragile, and I don't fear it in the same way i worry about Sharlins.
Oh, And the drakh Mothership should be re-statted and upped to Armageddon, it's supposed to be 1.5km long or something ludicrous.
I have actually gone for the Neroon. I was personally a bit disgusted that the Warlock, Nemesis, Ka'BinTak etc were all above the Sharlin, it was the daddy of all ships, and should have remained so!, but the Neroon is so overall poor in my opinion, and thats someone who regularly gets beat of Minbari. It's a nice "fleet" ship, but far too fragile, and I don't fear it in the same way i worry about Sharlins.
Oh, And the drakh Mothership should be re-statted and upped to Armageddon, it's supposed to be 1.5km long or something ludicrous.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
you have to click the add option button when creating a poll option, the last line there isnt actually added till you do that (basically the last line should be blank when you click post)
Just to highlight what needs fixing in each case (or put together a straightforward, reasoned argument for each).
Nials - Major discrepancy between cost of Nial wings and the cost of the Morshin carrier with 8 nial wings attached. Discrepancy between cost of Nials and cost of other fighters (especially upgraded Starfuries).
WS Fighter - as above, discrepancy between cost of wings and cost of WS Carrier.
WS Gunship - low crew for a war level ship, no step up increase in value over that of WSC-2. Also, low (66%) crew threshold.
Neroon - low crew (lower than a Sharlin), and as with Nemesis notably lower than hull (bucks the gamewide trend) 50% crew threshold, 66% hull threshold.
Liati - 50% thresholds for both hull and crew.
Nemesis - low crew score at 10 points below hull - normally crew outnumber hull boxes or match them (though 81% threshold seems fine).
Nials - Major discrepancy between cost of Nial wings and the cost of the Morshin carrier with 8 nial wings attached. Discrepancy between cost of Nials and cost of other fighters (especially upgraded Starfuries).
WS Fighter - as above, discrepancy between cost of wings and cost of WS Carrier.
WS Gunship - low crew for a war level ship, no step up increase in value over that of WSC-2. Also, low (66%) crew threshold.
Neroon - low crew (lower than a Sharlin), and as with Nemesis notably lower than hull (bucks the gamewide trend) 50% crew threshold, 66% hull threshold.
Liati - 50% thresholds for both hull and crew.
Nemesis - low crew score at 10 points below hull - normally crew outnumber hull boxes or match them (though 81% threshold seems fine).
Locutus9956
Mongoose
I think people seem to be overlooking something though in that having the threshold of crew lower than hull for a ship with a FLIGHT COMPUTER is hardly that big an issue....
TenaciousB
Mongoose
Next Armageddon fix for me would be the inclusions of new Dilgar/Drakh ships.
I may sound like a broken record, but by the time the issues in Arma are fixed, the Dilgar and Drakh should be settled in properly, and players of these races should be included in future publications, maybe even Armageddon V2.
I may sound like a broken record, but by the time the issues in Arma are fixed, the Dilgar and Drakh should be settled in properly, and players of these races should be included in future publications, maybe even Armageddon V2.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Im sure I've said this before but the Dilgar and Drakh both have an entire BOOK to themsleves, they dont need any more stuff really in Armageddon which was meant as an update to SFoS mainly.
I DO think the Drakh Mothership should be Armageddonified but that may already be in the works so I'll wait and see.....
Now the Dilgar, well to be blunt they REALLY dont need any more, they already have an truly excellent list with some superb ships (sure they're not all great but the Dilgar fleet is still one of the best in the game
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I DO think the Drakh Mothership should be Armageddonified but that may already be in the works so I'll wait and see.....
Now the Dilgar, well to be blunt they REALLY dont need any more, they already have an truly excellent list with some superb ships (sure they're not all great but the Dilgar fleet is still one of the best in the game
)Locutus9956
Mongoose
Anyway the general oppinion of Armageddon (by and large) seems to be: Rules changes good, New ships bad (with a few exceptions, the Marathons good, so's the G'Vrhan etc)
TenaciousB
Mongoose
Locutus9956 said:Im sure I've said this before but the Dilgar and Drakh both have an entire BOOK to themsleves, they dont need any more stuff really in Armageddon which was meant as an update to SFoS mainly.
I DO think the Drakh Mothership should be Armageddonified but that may already be in the works so I'll wait and see.....
Now the Dilgar, well to be blunt they REALLY dont need any more, they already have an truly excellent list with some superb ships (sure they're not all great but the Dilgar fleet is still one of the best in the game
Hey, I'm just voicing an opinion. You don't have to like it, but it's there. Everyone else has a say on this forum, and so do I.
Anyways, just because they both have their own fleet books, doesn't mean there isn't any room for expansion.
TenaciousB said:Locutus9956 said:Im sure I've said this before but the Dilgar and Drakh both have an entire BOOK to themsleves, they dont need any more stuff really in Armageddon which was meant as an update to SFoS mainly.
I DO think the Drakh Mothership should be Armageddonified but that may already be in the works so I'll wait and see.....
Now the Dilgar, well to be blunt they REALLY dont need any more, they already have an truly excellent list with some superb ships (sure they're not all great but the Dilgar fleet is still one of the best in the game
Hey, I'm just voicing an opinion. You don't have to like it, but it's there. Everyone else has a say on this forum, and so do I.
Anyways, just because they both have their own fleet books, doesn't mean there isn't any room for expansion.
don't take it to heart, he did put a smiley
I am pretty sure that come ACTA 2, the drakh mo ship will be armageddon, hopefully carrying light cruisers or something (sick eh?) and their are a few avenues of Dilgar expansion which I am sure they will look into. Keep the faith!
Can we focus please? We're talking about fixing armageddon. That means: the ships in armageddon which for various reasons aren't that good or are downright pointless.
We're not talking about adding ships (that wouldn't be fixing armageddon). And ideally before adding any more, you'd want to ensure what already exists is working fine.
I'd stretch to say we can also cover other ships which are broken/pointless, like the Troligan.
But this isn't the place to ask for new ships.
We're not talking about adding ships (that wouldn't be fixing armageddon). And ideally before adding any more, you'd want to ensure what already exists is working fine.
I'd stretch to say we can also cover other ships which are broken/pointless, like the Troligan.
But this isn't the place to ask for new ships.
Tank
Mongoose
Well fine then!
The Liati definately needs to be fixed how it was decided to make it war level is beyond comprehension. Weapon ranges are far too short and threshold is a nightmare, cant go against 3 whitestars so def fixing required.
The whitestar Gunship, havent seen it in action yet but the stats do look a bit weak.
Nemesis? How Armaggeddon? really? how? I'd like to know. Hull & crew not really at comparable levels with other races and the weapon loadout isnt any better.
Warlock better but still I dont beleive it to be Armaggeddon.
Neroon, again how? attributed to high heaven and still not really spangly, where is it's Adaptive Armour? threshold and damage all wrong.
Nials & WS Fighters, 2 of the best fighters in the game and the only sure way to beat one is to gang up on it with a full flight, not convinced with everyones arguments about them.
The Liati definately needs to be fixed how it was decided to make it war level is beyond comprehension. Weapon ranges are far too short and threshold is a nightmare, cant go against 3 whitestars so def fixing required.
The whitestar Gunship, havent seen it in action yet but the stats do look a bit weak.
Nemesis? How Armaggeddon? really? how? I'd like to know. Hull & crew not really at comparable levels with other races and the weapon loadout isnt any better.
Warlock better but still I dont beleive it to be Armaggeddon.
Neroon, again how? attributed to high heaven and still not really spangly, where is it's Adaptive Armour? threshold and damage all wrong.
Nials & WS Fighters, 2 of the best fighters in the game and the only sure way to beat one is to gang up on it with a full flight, not convinced with everyones arguments about them.
liati and whitestar gunship need definate fixs - either upping the crew/damage or lowering them to battle level.
nemesis,warlock and neroon all need more damage/crew.
another fix is starfuries and thunderbolts need to go back to SFOS stats, the extra dogfight added to their abillity versus ships, high hulls and 2+ dodge just makes this pair deadly - you get 4 starfuries to a nial but only need 2 to take the nial on with equal terms.
nemesis,warlock and neroon all need more damage/crew.
another fix is starfuries and thunderbolts need to go back to SFOS stats, the extra dogfight added to their abillity versus ships, high hulls and 2+ dodge just makes this pair deadly - you get 4 starfuries to a nial but only need 2 to take the nial on with equal terms.
