New race for Call to Arms

[thePirv]

Tenacious B was working on some sculpts for thirdspace ships, but I think they've been put on hold for the time being. What he had done looked quite tasty though.

I don't see any problem with Mongoose producing Thirdspace ships. And by all means, make them uber killy powerful. Just have them highly costed PL wise and have them non-tourney legal. All problems solved.

Although I do agree that they should worry about getting current fleets up to date and perhaps even fix the older molds that are breaking down as a priority over new fleets.

 

[Shadow Queen]

Okay, having watched Thirdspace last night...

Only the small Thirdspace fighters ever actually come through the portal. They look like modified Vorlon fighters, with tentacley bits at the front but metal "fins" on the back. They seem to be a bit larger than a Nial. One of them is roughly equivalent in power to a White Star, in fact one of these and a WS go 1 on 1 and both blow each other up, so I'd say they are pretty much evenly matched. That puts a Thirdspace fighter at Raid level, one fighter per flight (like Sky Serpent or WS Fighter) and 1 flight per wing.

The cruiser that tries unsuccessfully to come through, is much much bigger. I'd say at least 10x as wide, 10x as deep and 10x as long as the fighter. That puts its volume at 1,000x. Assuming its power is proportional to size, that makes it 1,000 times as powerful as a fighter... which puts it 10 Priority Levels above Raid.

I think we'd need a few more PL's to introduce the Thirdspace aliens...

Like "Im not playing them" level

 

[Valen is my name]

think how many armageddon ships you'd need just to go against one of them!

 

[Recidivist]

I know, scary isnt it? Maybe its just me, but I like the whole 'survival horror' aspect of fighting a race like that, in a similar way to going up against the shadows - you know they're probably going to wipe the floor with you, but all the same, you try to take at least one or two of them with you...

 

[Da Boss]

I think we'd need a few more PL's to introduce the Thirdspace aliens...

How many Drazi ships would that get you then? :shock:

 

[Burger]

How many Drazi ships would that get you then? :shock:

"Is there a table under all those Drazi?" :lol:

 

[Da Boss]

Interesting method of preventing them entering galaxy - sorry no room!!! Less violent!

 

[locarno24]

"Is there a table under all those Drazi?"

"Lets find out..." <Fires main weapons>
Ka-Wham! (Reaches for a croupier's slide to push the destroyed ships off the playing area)
"Well, there's definitely table over there."

Strictly speaking, of course, we don't know if they are any more dangerous than Vorlon ships - the Vorlons got their encounter-suited backsides handed to them as much by being telepathically overrun as by being blown to bits.

Bizzarely this didn't seem to happen to any of the Ranger/Minbari fleet during the battle (who cares about causing riots on B5 - take over the gunners on a pair of Warcruisers and shoot out C&C - or better yet take over the gunners in C&C and shoot out the warcruisers..)

 

[Burger]

Because no actual Thirdspace aliens came through the portal (only modified Vorlon fighters controlled by brainwasted Vorlons or other slave races), I think their telepathic powers were reduced to random victim selection, and they couldn't fully control them, just implant ideas such as "protect the portal". If the cruiser had come through, they could have just taken over C&C, the White Stars and the Sharlins to.

Thats my theory, anyway!

 

[H]

My tgheory is that it was a show, and we can't say anything for sure as it was all dictated by the needs of the plot.. ahem.
sorry, just been told to log off and sit on my ass indefinately, stupid job!

 

[Recidivist]

Well that brings things down with a bump! :wink:

Btw, wasnt one of the aliens inside the portal itself? I'm referring to the tentacled, cthulhu-esque thingy which Sheridan had a close call with when planting the nuke. Not sure if it was even an example of what was piloting the ships, but I would have thought so?

 

[Burger]

Btw, wasnt one of the aliens inside the portal itself? I'm referring to the tentacled, cthulhu-esque thingy which Sheridan had a close call with when planting the nuke. Not sure if it was even an example of what was piloting the ships, but I would have thought so?

Since the aliens are all strong telepaths, I'd deduce that the tentacley thing is not one of them. If it were, it's just take over Sheridan and disarm the bomb. It was probably another slave race used as a guardian (although not a very good one!)

 

[Recidivist]

Good point.
So you reckon the thirdspace aliens were using slave races? Interesting theory. I hadnt considered that really, but its a perfectly valid one.
Idle, rhetorical speculation I know, but assuming you're correct, I wonder if the slave races in question were from 'the other side', or belonged in our own galaxy/ universe?

Right, suppose I'd better get back to what I'm being paid for, which isnt enjoying a chat about B5 unfortunately! :wink:

 

[Burger]

Well they definitely took over Vorlons telepathically, and thats how the portal survived... the enslaved Vorlons flung it into hyperspace before the other Vorlons could destroy it. So no reason why they wouldn't use other races as their cannon fodder and guard dogs, really!

 

[thePirv]

I thought the film Thirdspace made mention that the Thirdspacers had destroyed all life (bar themselves) in their own universe and that's why they were looking to come through into "ours", to continue their work. So it would seem to me that their thralls, if any, would come from our universe a-la the Vorlons.

Could be totally wrong and just making up plot though because it's a few years since I have seen Thirdspace. (And lets face it, who hasn't totally imagined up their own better story while watching at least on B5 film? I'm looking at you "Bag of Crap" [Rangers])

 

[Ripple]

Just a small issue...I didn't think there were modified vorlon fighters involved, the little ships they used were all flower petally with metal bases, not vorlony at all. Could be wrong there...

As to the 'guardian' thing...could have been one of them...just cause they are strong telepathically doesn't mean they can use it easily or quickly. Their telepathy by work on the subconcious, thus needing lots of time to take over. No, no evidence of that...just a thought.

Ripple

 

[Da Boss]

Perhaps they enslave the weak members of their own race?

 

[Shadow Queen]

Btw, wasnt one of the aliens inside the portal itself? I'm referring to the tentacled, cthulhu-esque thingy which Sheridan had a close call with when planting the nuke. Not sure if it was even an example of what was piloting the ships, but I would have thought so?

Since the aliens are all strong telepaths, I'd deduce that the tentacley thing is not one of them. If it were, it's just take over Sheridan and disarm the bomb. It was probably another slave race used as a guardian (although not a very good one!)

Dont forget He was touched by Kosh and Lyta couldnt affect him with her telepathic powers in season 5

 

[Burger]

Btw, wasnt one of the aliens inside the portal itself? I'm referring to the tentacled, cthulhu-esque thingy which Sheridan had a close call with when planting the nuke. Not sure if it was even an example of what was piloting the ships, but I would have thought so?

Since the aliens are all strong telepaths, I'd deduce that the tentacley thing is not one of them. If it were, it's just take over Sheridan and disarm the bomb. It was probably another slave race used as a guardian (although not a very good one!)

Dont forget He was touched by Kosh and Lyta couldnt affect him with her telepathic powers in season 5

Thirdspace aliens telepathy was much stronger than Vorlons, since they could take them over!

 

[locarno24]

Because no actual Thirdspace aliens came through the portal (only modified Vorlon fighters controlled by brainwasted Vorlons or other slave races),

Oh, don't start that one up again.
What? They're a bit stripey.

I will conceed that other than the trivial differences of being a different shape, a different size, a different pattern of a different colour, protected by a different mechanism, armed with a different type of weapon, and made of a different material (the metal segments on the stern), they do indeed perfectly resemble the primordial era Vorlon ships you've already seen in the same programme. In....err.....no way whatsoever.

Since said Vorlon ships funnily enough look almost exactly like contemparary Vorlon ships, not like an orange bulb of garlic with a cogwheel rammed up its backside.

I thought the film Thirdspace made mention that the Thirdspacers had destroyed all life (bar themselves) in their own universe and that's why they were looking to come through into "ours", to continue their work. So it would seem to me that their thralls, if any, would come from our universe a-la the Vorlons.

It says 'they have destroyed counteless races, and continue to destroy countless more', and that they 'consider only themselves worthy of existance'.

Or to put it another way; there is still other life in thirdspace, but they apologise and assure you their experts are working flat-out to correct the problem.

Btw, wasnt one of the aliens inside the portal itself? I'm referring to the tentacled, cthulhu-esque thingy which Sheridan had a close call with when planting the nuke.

Well - it certainly matches the theme of them; the One is basically portrayed as the B5 version of Cthulu.
I suspect he just has Major Character Plot Immunity.