New Flying Bases
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I have some of the new Bases. There are a couple of pictures comparing them to the old ones.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9062478/DSCN2125.JPG
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9062478/DSCN2126.JPG
They are larger. and the tip of the post is smaller.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9062478/DSCN2125.JPG
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9062478/DSCN2126.JPG
They are larger. and the tip of the post is smaller.
Corsec is fine for flat bottomed and/or larger minis but I found the ball and socket better for others and use both. Detaching the mini from the stand is not an option for me as based on extensive BFG experience, a fixed glued stand will break and the bigger the ship, the more often.
Is there a firm out there selling the ball and socket bases?
Is there a firm out there selling the ball and socket bases?
McKinstry said:
We still have a few left for seperate sales, but they are a limited resource. One of the issues we have had is that no one does bases like these for the price we do (and we well know why!).
Was there a reason for making the new bases larger than the old?
The old were 2" wide which worked great for the transporter. If the bases touched you were in range. How are we going to handle it now?
I also sent a lot of time making base stickers and they work real well on the old bases but don't look right on the new ones. I use a 2" circle punch to cut them out and the odd size of the new ones are going to be a problem for me.
The old were 2" wide which worked great for the transporter. If the bases touched you were in range. How are we going to handle it now?
I also sent a lot of time making base stickers and they work real well on the old bases but don't look right on the new ones. I use a 2" circle punch to cut them out and the odd size of the new ones are going to be a problem for me.
McKinstry said:
You can still grab them from here;
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/ctastarfleet/rulebooks.html
bolive said:
Availability - there really is not a lot of choice when it comes to the mass purchase of flying bases. As it is, both the ball/socket and the bases been done now are manufactured directly by us, and no one else.
It comes to something when you have to directly make something like this yourself!
bolive said:
Yeah I think Mongoose botched a bit on that part :-/ Base sizes are so important that suddenly changing them without very good reason is often issue. Do we want the "you must rebase your models!" wars start here as well? Have fun in 40k with your 10+ year vintage terminators. Take them to tournament and you'll get flamed by your small base sizes.
The transporter thing is also pretty interesting. If bases are longer than transporter range how can you even GET to transporter range now? Overlapping bases? Not fan of that at all!
bolive said:
No, what I am saying is that there is _no_ off the shelf product for flying bases like this.
tneva82 said:
I disagree - base sizes are not important in CTA (and they are not all that important in Dredd frankly). Their primary purpose is to stop models falling over!
msprange said:
Since ships generally benefit from staying close to each other ability to fit same into lesser area is always benefit.
Also if they are really larger than transporter range then bigger bases effectively wrote out transporters from the game...Now albeit maybe that's not true. Is the transport range measured from stem to stem? If so then size of new bases must be 2" or less or you can't GET within 2" of target so no transport/tractor beam.
And even if what you say is true and there's no notable effect to game balance there's this tiiiiiny little bit of issue: Players don't believe it! They will be complaining! Hell frankly it doesn't make much of difference in 40k either is terminator on 25mm or 40mm base. Or is some old model on 40mm square base or 40mm round base. But players WILL complain. All players need is mere thought that other could be gaining advantage and problems arise.
bolive said:
This will affect me as well, since I sell base stickers. The ones I have in stock are for 2" bases, and frankly given how sales have dwindled to near nothing, it is not efficient for me to have them made in the slightly larger size. I don't want to get stuck with the old ones after I switch over to the new size.
It'll also now add another layer of complexity in that I'd have to a) obtain some of the new bases to measure them/determine what size I need the newer stickers made to, and more importantly b) ask EVERY customer what base size they have so they don't get sent the wrong size. And Murphy says that someone is going to end up with the wrong size somehow, regardless of how careful both the customer and myself are in this.
I handled this by simply saying that transporter range is 3", not 2". My rationale is that since transporter range in SFB is 5 hexes and because it appears that ranges/speeds were simply halved, that = 2.5". Rather than deal with the fraction, I simply raised the range for transporters to 3". This works better in convention games it seems.
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This would be my prefered approach - it would be good if Mongoose made such a change official though.billclo said:
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bolive said:
I am really disappointed in this. I think these ball and socket bases were the best I've ever used. Yes you probably didn't make much profit on the bases, but you were selling them for a ridiculous price. I was in the process of getting my Babylon 5 ACTA collection ready for a re-base using these bases which now makes having pulled them off their original bases pointless.
Not your fault at all but it doesn't improve my mood. One thing is for certain though, if I can't find a comparable option to allow me to have a ball and socket option for ships then my ACTA purchasing stops where it has. With these bases I didn't have to worry about snapped stems or the crazy storage options that came with the stem being attached to the ship.
I know many of you don't see this as an issue and I am sorry for ranting but I am exceedingly p***ed at this news.
One thing that one can do once you get a fair number of ships accumulated, is to use the bases with any of your ships, and not dedicate them to being with a particular ship.
For example, I'm approaching 80 ships owned. I was trying to decide if I needed to keep on attaching firing arc stickers to any future ships, but there's no way I will ever be playing a game that uses more than even 50 ships. So in theory, I have all the bases + stickers I will ever use in a game, and any additional ones I have will be saved as spares for the inevitable breakages. I may just put the 80 bases in a box that goes along with the boxes that the actual minis are transported in.
So the bases that came with the Roms that I haven't assembled yet (old style) are basically spares; I will attach the socket to the ship, and carry on with the bases that are already assembled and put the "new ones" in cold storage as it were. BUT this won't work once the new ships only come out with the "new style" mounts, since they don't come with a socket.
The whole situation does stink, as it pretty much ensures that I won't be offering firing arc stickers in the new size until I sell off the ones I have that are in the original smaller size. Now if I were to get a lot of new requests for stickers in the new size, I might re-consider, but for now, forget about ordering and selling the new size.
For example, I'm approaching 80 ships owned. I was trying to decide if I needed to keep on attaching firing arc stickers to any future ships, but there's no way I will ever be playing a game that uses more than even 50 ships. So in theory, I have all the bases + stickers I will ever use in a game, and any additional ones I have will be saved as spares for the inevitable breakages. I may just put the 80 bases in a box that goes along with the boxes that the actual minis are transported in.
So the bases that came with the Roms that I haven't assembled yet (old style) are basically spares; I will attach the socket to the ship, and carry on with the bases that are already assembled and put the "new ones" in cold storage as it were. BUT this won't work once the new ships only come out with the "new style" mounts, since they don't come with a socket.
The whole situation does stink, as it pretty much ensures that I won't be offering firing arc stickers in the new size until I sell off the ones I have that are in the original smaller size. Now if I were to get a lot of new requests for stickers in the new size, I might re-consider, but for now, forget about ordering and selling the new size.
