New CT UWPs and Stats (FINAL!)

[captainjack23]

And here's what I call the "dead, dead, they're all dead!" run... where worlds that don't reach the Zho environmental TL minimum are all wiped out and have Pop 0 (which apart from anything else is stupid because it seems to imply that people colonise hostile worlds, then their technology fails and everyone dies, and then nobody ever bothers to colonise the worlds again with the right tech).

The net result is that one in five worlds are Barren.

It's just presented for general amusement, but I don't think this works for Traveller at all despite being technically canon. It makes far more sense to raise the TL that is rolled to the minimum than to just kill everyone (unless we're talking about the Collapse era, of course ).<snip>

I agree on this one. One comment I have is that this does do a good job of allowing the GM to fairly easily apply a shift of campaign focus...zeroing out the populations certainly produces a rubbled TU; whereas raising them really fills the place up with mid-low tech worlds.

I'm considering altering my posted syste to take this into account -although I do suggest some less harsh filters, it still is harsh.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Well, the TL filters were placed there based on the 1980 TL tree. Any new TL filters will need to be done using the (slightly) revised TL tree from MGT. Basically, Earth early 21st Century is TL 7-8, not TL 8-9 as in the original CT definitions.

This will bump down the TL's for the various atmospheres a bit (maybe 1 TL on the worst cases. I would argue that by TL 7-8, survival in just about any of the atmospheres in Traveller is possible, except for ATM C...

 

[captainjack23]

Well, the TL filters were placed there based on the 1980 TL tree. Any new TL filters will need to be done using the (slightly) revised TL tree from MGT. Basically, Earth early 21st Century is TL 7-8, not TL 8-9 as in the original CT definitions.

This will bump down the TL's for the various atmospheres a bit (maybe 1 TL on the worst cases. I would argue that by TL 7-8, survival in just about any of the atmospheres in Traveller is possible, except for ATM C...

Well, the TL filters were placed there based on the 1980 TL tree. Any new TL filters will need to be done using the (slightly) revised TL tree from MGT. Basically, Earth early 21st Century is TL 7-8, not TL 8-9 as in the original CT definitions.

This will bump down the TL's for the various atmospheres a bit (maybe 1 TL on the worst cases. I would argue that by TL 7-8, survival in just about any of the atmospheres in Traveller is possible, except for ATM C...

That was part of the motivation behind my downbumping of the TL restraints, and with differentiating habilitability and survivability

:

ATM    CT Min Tech  MY Tech MIN
2-            7             6
3             6             5
4,7,9         5             4
A,B           8             7/9
C             9             A
D             -             9

It's over in the main post on the "simpler worldgen" thread, along w/. stuff on differentiating habitability and survivability;

But, that said, it doesn't change the effect of zeroing all that much -the decision to elevate or zero is < I think< one of those points that can have a significant impact on the flow of the campaign.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Agreed Captain, I was actually posting that to support your position. Any time people start comparing TL's between CT and MGT, there are going to be some problems.

Regarding the TL elevation or POP 0 issue, I am in favor of TL elevation.

In any reasonable interstellar society, if people need to be there, they will have the TL necessary to be there, any other idea is silly.

Now in Hard Times or during a Long Night, there is no reason to believe that they would be able to maintain that Technology and would actually die out, so in a TNE or Milieu 0 setting, die-back would make more sense.

Maybe both should be presented and based on the GM's view of the universe, either method could be used.

 

[captainjack23]

Agreed Captain, I was actually posting that to support your position. Any time people start comparing TL's between CT and MGT, there are going to be some problems.

Regarding the TL elevation or POP 0 issue, I am in favor of TL elevation.

In any reasonable interstellar society, if people need to be there, they will have the TL necessary to be there, any other idea is silly.

Now in Hard Times or during a Long Night, there is no reason to believe that they would be able to maintain that Technology and would actually die out, so in a TNE or Milieu 0 setting, die-back would make more sense.

Maybe both should be presented and based on the GM's view of the universe, either method could be used.

That certainly would be my solution....I like the idea of noting key points where it is relatively easy to swing the overall result in a given direction.

I think this is clearly one of them - did we run into any others?