SylvrDragon
Mongoose
Sock said:
Indeed. There's no fluff reason to do so, and I don't see much use of it rules wise either. I think it's just one of those things that's there to simply provide a little fluff...or perhaps to use in special scenarios.
New Campaign with some ideas and need help for EarthForce EY
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Indeed. There's no fluff reason to do so, and I don't see much use of it rules wise either. I think it's just one of those things that's there to simply provide a little fluff...or perhaps to use in special scenarios.
The explorer is not an attack ship, it's the ship that the rest of the fleet has rushed over to protect.
The other function of the explorer is building jump gates. I know during war time you might very well need new gates being dropped in as you advance into enemy territory, kind of like the airfields being throw down in the island hopping campaigns in WWII (not that I know much about it... but seems similar.)
Tethys vs Hermes is a tough choice, because you don't compare one to one, its two to one. With the new beam mechanic in particular the tethys laser boats are vile... we tend to advocate three to four free move ships to any EA force... so avengers, explorers, olympus largely, hermes and missile tethys... beyond that stack up the beamy goodness and go to town with the slow loading beam tethys, more beam per point that anything going.
Ripple
The other function of the explorer is building jump gates. I know during war time you might very well need new gates being dropped in as you advance into enemy territory, kind of like the airfields being throw down in the island hopping campaigns in WWII (not that I know much about it... but seems similar.)
Tethys vs Hermes is a tough choice, because you don't compare one to one, its two to one. With the new beam mechanic in particular the tethys laser boats are vile... we tend to advocate three to four free move ships to any EA force... so avengers, explorers, olympus largely, hermes and missile tethys... beyond that stack up the beamy goodness and go to town with the slow loading beam tethys, more beam per point that anything going.
Ripple
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
the EY nova has Heavy Plasma Cannons
Since there is no blocking LOS in ACTA, anyone who shoots at an Explorer that is quite obviously being thrown forwards (at an astounding 6" with APtE) as a distraction, deserves what they get!Taran said:
Anyone with an ounce of tactical brains will take out the big threats, then mop up the explorer at the end.Burger said:Since there is no blocking LOS in ACTA, anyone who shoots at an Explorer that is quite obviously being thrown forwards (at an astounding 6" with APtE) as a distraction, deserves what they get!
I would love to play you, Burger.
No. 1 Bear
Mongoose
If you don't like the swarm tactic play something else Or put everything in large squadrons. I do agree with what everyone was saying. However the nova is not the best in my opinion once you break those interceptors it just goes down too quickly. I feel the model is great just don't like it that much.
The one thing that is really really great is the olympus gunship. Its a one trick pony but its a very big pony. Very very big pony. Squadron 3-5 of them (watch the fireworks) add in a scout a few rail hyps and a command hyperion and you've got a great fleet. 5pt raid would be.
4 Olympus gunships.
Explorer
2 Rail hyperions
Command Hyperion.
Then thats just how i play.
The one thing that is really really great is the olympus gunship. Its a one trick pony but its a very big pony. Very very big pony. Squadron 3-5 of them (watch the fireworks) add in a scout a few rail hyps and a command hyperion and you've got a great fleet. 5pt raid would be.
4 Olympus gunships.
Explorer
2 Rail hyperions
Command Hyperion.
Then thats just how i play.
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
would it not be better to change the Rail Hyperions for Artemis-Class Heavy Frigate? Railguns all the way around and a bit more speed?
SylvrDragon
Mongoose
No. 1 Bear said:
Just ask anyone that's played with me as to what Novas are capable of. I've taken on White Stars using nothing more than Novas and that was back when their beams were Super AP. I have to ask what you, or the EA player you were paired against, was doing wrong with them. They have hull 5, just like the other Raids for EY EA, but with a higher damage score and MUCH higher crew score. Novas are tanks pure and simple. I've never had one go down "easy". The Hyperion is the raid that folds easy, though it has gotten tougher than it was...
M1ndr1d3rs
Mongoose
I don't know how this is represented in the game, but wasn't the Hyperion preferable to the Nova in the series? I mean outside the Minbari War of course. And a fleet typically have more medium warships than heavy ones. The dreadnoughts were very heavy ships and often unwieldy.
Usually what goes wrong for the Nova is maneuver, if you were beating old style whitestars I have to ask what he was doing wrong...=), he should never have been inside 15 on you.
The nova's lack of turns, speed and now lumbering really make it very predictable. Combine that with only medium to short range, and the ship can often be denied a firing opportunity. The benefit of the ship is it's a durable sink that does space denial while throwing out a credible fighter threat (though less so in early EA). Great ship to run the center of the board in bigger fleets, but smaller forces do better with more maneuverable hyperion in my opinion.
Ripple
The nova's lack of turns, speed and now lumbering really make it very predictable. Combine that with only medium to short range, and the ship can often be denied a firing opportunity. The benefit of the ship is it's a durable sink that does space denial while throwing out a credible fighter threat (though less so in early EA). Great ship to run the center of the board in bigger fleets, but smaller forces do better with more maneuverable hyperion in my opinion.
Ripple
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
i have killed 3 Whitestars with a Nova
No. 1 Bear
Mongoose
SylvrDragon said:
The nova lacks one thing. Range and true toughness. I feel that if you want a tank a really hard tank at raid level look at the t'loth. Thats a tank. The novas not really enough of a tank for the role that you say it should play and the one i feel it should. Also if anyone let you get within range when using a whole fleet of whitestars they were doing something terribly wrong.
I would much rather field a hyperion. I know the hyperion is a glass hammer but when the hammer comes down on you it hurts. Plus its that much more manouvarable and the range is better.
It is just how you like to play though.
Timestheus
Mongoose
No. 1 Bear said:
What is your other choice though? Sometimes you just need to field a brick and when it comes to EarthForce-EY the only other really brick option is the Orestes which is very slow and Battle level so much more expensive than putting a Nova out there.
SylvrDragon
Mongoose
Timestheus said:
Now here's a man that knows what the heart of EA is! The Nova has 4 flights of fighters, which in case some of you have forgotten is the max you can use as interceptors, and it has 36 damage with 45 crew! It's one of the toughest, and most self reliant, raids out there! The Novas have long been the core of my pre-Crusade EA and that will never change. They're just too functional. Though I have played with fleets of nothing but Novas, mind you these were also small raid level games and the game that comes to mind was in a campaign so I was limited on ships, they're not all that I'd choose to run with. They're the hammer that I'd drive straight into the core of my enemies fleets. Running alongside these beasts would be Hyperions, most likely missile variants if available due to them having the highest damage output of any Hyperion, as well as a couple of those oh so nasty Olympus Corvettes; and I due mean the standard Corvette and not the Gunship. On a final note, any raid with hull 5, 36 damage and 45 crew, as well as 6 interceptors is a bonafide tank!
No. 1 Bear
Mongoose
umm the nova only has 2 inteceptors.
As for my choice. I don't really see the point in the tank much. The EY excel at skirmish with the Olympuses and rail hyperions. I don't see much in the Nova just my opinon.
As for my choice. I don't really see the point in the tank much. The EY excel at skirmish with the Olympuses and rail hyperions. I don't see much in the Nova just my opinon.
Timestheus
Mongoose
No. 1 Bear said:
He was talking about using the starfurys as interceptors which would give it the equivalent to 6 interceptors.
No. 1 Bear
Mongoose
What a waste of a starfury. They should be used offensively to make the enemy wish you'd stop rolling those 6's.
