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lastbesthope
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DM said:
If it's the ones I'm thinking off, I was working on some toys for those a year or two back, some of my friends still are.
LBH
At our local gaming club last year we had a bit of a crack at Harpoon - did a russian sub hunt for a t-boat which involved lots of map movement. It's tough to do with a fine ground scale and a large table - we had helicopters dropping sonobuoys all over the damn place and following my limited understanding of fleet doctrine for these sorts of things had towed arrays out doing sprint/turn to try and triangulate where the sub was.
About all we managed to do by the end of the game was torpedo an unsuspecting whale and shoot down a few sub-launched harpoons.
Great game for planning and playing - not a duke it out gunfight game a la WW2.
About all we managed to do by the end of the game was torpedo an unsuspecting whale and shoot down a few sub-launched harpoons.
Great game for planning and playing - not a duke it out gunfight game a la WW2.
It was a very enjoyable game, all round - the submarine did manage to run the blockade, but we had something like a 6 foot long string of sonobuouys across the width of the table, a frigate with a big hole in the side limping along, missiles intercepting missiles, and the exploding whale.
It took 2 three hour sessions to play, and it's a very complicated rules-set (for example you need to drop sonar at different depths above/below the thermocline, obey such rules as windage for takeoff/landing, worry about fuel in your choppers etc.) but sometimes that's not a bad thing.
It took 2 three hour sessions to play, and it's a very complicated rules-set (for example you need to drop sonar at different depths above/below the thermocline, obey such rules as windage for takeoff/landing, worry about fuel in your choppers etc.) but sometimes that's not a bad thing.
Rick
Mongoose
Ah yes, Harpoon. Still got the rules and the "Battles of the Third World War" book around somewhere. Tried doing a game once and had to abandon half way; just far too complicated. I rather liked the Skytrex Modern Naval rules myself - just the right mix of playability and 'realism' to get a good game. I don'y have VAS yet, but if you do a set of moderns, sign me up for a set. I still have a load of Soviet and American ships I can dust off, including a Kirov! I always favoured the Pacific Fleet for some reason.
Interestingly enough, I heard that the Russians are looking to restart Arctic patrols - while it's nice to think (from a wargames perspective) of the fleet coming out of mothballs, I think back to some of the near misses and collisions of the cold war american and soviet ships and shudder. Theres a lot less room to manouevre at sea than people realise........
Interestingly enough, I heard that the Russians are looking to restart Arctic patrols - while it's nice to think (from a wargames perspective) of the fleet coming out of mothballs, I think back to some of the near misses and collisions of the cold war american and soviet ships and shudder. Theres a lot less room to manouevre at sea than people realise........
Indeed, a very good set of rules. These (plus the Navwar edition that ame out a few years later) were the rules that got me started in modern naval wargaming.
Janes reported Udaloy DDGs and a Slava CG deploying to the Arctic just now, squaring up against the Norwegians in a territorial dispute thats making itself known at the moment. What wth the retreat of the ice caps, the opening of the NorthWest Passage, US / Canadian tensions over borders, Danish and Norwegian claims, potentially massive oil reserves and the Russians it looks like the Arctic is going to be a VERY interesting place over the next few decades!!
Bit of a thread necro - but looks like we're having another crack at Harpoon next week.
As an aside, does anyone know if the USSR ha(ve/d) any analogues for ASROC?
SS-N-15 and -16 seem to be the only ones which bear any resemblance - although the former is actually a SUBROC analog?
As an aside, does anyone know if the USSR ha(ve/d) any analogues for ASROC?
SS-N-15 and -16 seem to be the only ones which bear any resemblance - although the former is actually a SUBROC analog?
Too much "real life" getting in the way of gaming.tiepilot1138
Banded Mongoose
I'd be interested too if you get around to it.
That was all good fun - yours truly landed on the Russian side, commanding a surface attack fleet (Kara, Krivak, Sovremny, Kynda) against a British ASW fleet (two 42s, Leander, 22, Invincible).
After fending off a hasty attack by 4 Harriers (yes, I managed to shoot down a whopping 8 Sea eagles before they came close!), I turned towards and threw a salvo of ancient Shaddocks (shot down by the CAP and some well placed Sea Darts) before coming in a bit closer and overwhelming the poor HMS Sheffield with a massive salvo of Moskits (4 out of 8 struck home).
Then Penelope took a hit from a second salvo of Shaddocks (1 of 4 made it - bloody sea cat and harriers this time).
Leaving the Russians in a rather precarious position with their best missiles spent, and a carrier reloading for another air strike...
Guess the missile pickets did their job!
After fending off a hasty attack by 4 Harriers (yes, I managed to shoot down a whopping 8 Sea eagles before they came close!), I turned towards and threw a salvo of ancient Shaddocks (shot down by the CAP and some well placed Sea Darts) before coming in a bit closer and overwhelming the poor HMS Sheffield with a massive salvo of Moskits (4 out of 8 struck home).
Then Penelope took a hit from a second salvo of Shaddocks (1 of 4 made it - bloody sea cat and harriers this time).
Leaving the Russians in a rather precarious position with their best missiles spent, and a carrier reloading for another air strike...
Guess the missile pickets did their job!
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