Lost Tales, technomages & plots SPOILERS

[Greg Smith]

This contains spoilers for the Lost Tales DVD

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Okay.

In the move A Call to Arms, Galen tipped Sheridan off in a dream. He doesn't foretell what the Drakh are doing, he only knows what has happened (the test a Daltron 7). Now we don't know how he knew to set events in motion that would bring Sheridan, Anderson and Dureena together to stop the planet killer, but his fore-knowledge seemed limited. In fact he was unable to prevent the Drakh plague.

In the Lost Tales, he had knowledge of events years in the future. This seems a little out of keeping with technomage abilities as we've seen them before. Not to mention his direct approach at getting Sheridan to intercede - which seems a little out of character.

Does anyone else think that?

 

[Court Jester]

Maybe he went up a level between shows?

Now that can be seen as a joke (indeed it was intended as one) but I guess he could well have developed his powers or undergone some form of event that boosted his future sight...

 

[eek]

Have you seen any of Crusade?


IIRC, it explains that Galen was kicked out from his Technomage group for his actions in ACTA, and interfering too much. So his actions in TLT seem quite in character for him, at least.
I don't know about his future sight, though. Perhaps he didn't intend to stop the Drakh plague, just remove the Planet Killer. This might be a long shot, but maybe he predicted a cure would be found so didn't feel the need to stop it. Possibly so that it would be destroyed. If he had prevented it, the Drakh would still have the virus, but seeing as how they've used it, then that presents the opportunity to render it useless by finding a cure.
It sure fits in with the idea of preventing the Drakh from using leftover Shadow tech.
I don't know how that would fit in with Prince Vintari though.

 

[MustEatBrains]

The "direct approach" might only have been an attempt to manipulate Sheridan into doing something else... as was hinted at, both in the episode itself as well as in the interview with Peter Woodward IIRC.

As for the future sight? Well, first of all this doesn´t actually have to be the real future (he used only "current" ships in his vision for example, which would be pretty old and out of date in thirty years). Even if it is, it could have been based on probabilities and such.

To say that Cartagia´s son, who is denied his place on the throne by the centaurum, will eventually try to become emperor and create a new centauri empire is not that prophetic, right? With his father being mad and trying to become a god and all that.

Add to that some technomantic algorithms of predicting the most likely events of the future, throw in some psychological analysis of Sheridan and the prince regent, and then keep in mind that a technomage tells less the truth than even the Minbari do.

Makes my head spin, but seems to be in character. :roll:

 

[lastbesthope]

In the Lost Tales, he had knowledge of events years in the future. This seems a little out of keeping with technomage abilities as we've seen them before. Not to mention his direct approach at getting Sheridan to intercede - which seems a little out of character.

Does anyone else think that?

He only said he had knowledge of future events, he never proved it, nor could he.

As for not stopping the plague thing in CTA/Crusade maybe that was part of his big plan for the way the plot would have gone if the series hadn't been cancelled.

Now there's a point, do you think JMS will continue under the assumption that anything that would have happened in Crusade if it had run, would still happen when writing TLT (barring anything requiring fudging due to the loss of Messrs Biggs and Katsulas)

LBH

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

In Crusade, when he meets his fellow techmage (and RL father), galen is told he finally found his home (with Excalibur).

So this could mean he did indeed want to remove the Planetkiller so earth would not be destroyed, yet the cure could be solved. If the `killer would destroy earth, he would not find the Excalibur and Gideon, and complete the one true vow that motivated him: bury his love at the Well of Forever.

 

[Kyle81]

In the 2nd book of the Centauri trilogy, Technomage Cloister Kane is noted as having seen something. They hint that Technomages sometimes can see things in the future, though it appears to be not clear on what they see. Assume its kind of like Jedi's getting a vision? They don't really go into it but it's brought up so a full Technomage like Galen possibly sees some things as wells, and along with his manipulation went to sheridan with info as if it would be fact.

The books are good read, the three del ray trilogies they did, though they are hard to get now and go for high prices on places like Ebay. The books were based on outlines by JMS, and he did some editing and approved of the novels, so they are considered pretty canon

 

[David Anla Shok']

This contains spoilers for the Lost Tales DVD

Behaviour out of character for most technomages but not for Galen. Also, from reading, technomages have variances in their skills, they are not all stamped out of the same mould.
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Okay.

In the move A Call to Arms, Galen tipped Sheridan off in a dream. He doesn't foretell what the Drakh are doing, he only knows what has happened (the test a Daltron 7). Now we don't know how he knew to set events in motion that would bring Sheridan, Anderson and Dureena together to stop the planet killer, but his fore-knowledge seemed limited. In fact he was unable to prevent the Drakh plague.

In the Lost Tales, he had knowledge of events years in the future. This seems a little out of keeping with technomage abilities as we've seen them before. Not to mention his direct approach at getting Sheridan to intercede - which seems a little out of character.

Does anyone else think that?

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

I usupect that the Technomages are in a (latent) way (slightly) telepathic. Shadow Vessels needed telepaths to operate (and to disturb), and tm technology is after all modified shadowtech (is said in one of the unfilmed Crusade episodes).

So they could be telepathic visions basically. That and by the end of the seasons i guess almost anyone at one time or the other saw B5 go up in flames in some way or the other (okay, exaggerated here, but you get the idea... hey, we need a vision for making this storyline better`)

 

[Greg Smith]

I usupect that the Technomages are in a (latent) way (slightly) telepathic. Shadow Vessels needed telepaths to operate (and to disturb),

Shadow ships don't need telepaths. They put Anna Sheridanin one and I don't think she was a teep. The Shadows intended to use telepaths as pilots to make Shadow ships immune to being jammed by other telepaths, but Bester and Sheridan put a stop to it. At least that was my interpretation of it.

It is possible that TM technology does impart some measure of techno-spell casting forseeing. It just seemed that he didn't have that ability in A call to Arms but did in Lost Tales.

Of course, as someone else ponited outed out, he could have leveled-up and learned new spells.

 

[Iain McGhee]

I got the impression that he was just manipulating Sheridan (and the Prince) as he saw, not in any "magical" way, the Centauri as being a future threat if the prince wasn't taken in hand, and the "visions" were purely fabrication, including the dreams the prince told Sheridan about.

 

[Greg Smith]

I got the impression that he was just manipulating Sheridan (and the Prince) as he saw, not in any "magical" way, the Centauri as being a future threat if the prince wasn't taken in hand, and the "visions" were purely fabrication, including the dreams the prince told Sheridan about.

Yes. That was a possibility I had considered. In his own way, Galen is helping peace between the ISA and Centauri in the long term.

 

[Shadow Queen]

So do we know what the next one is about???

 

[MustEatBrains]

I guess Garibaldi (which would include Bester I think), + ???

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

Yeah, he was supposed to be in the first one already, but technical issues made it more opportune to shift that story to a later release...