LBH's Armageddon Shipviewer
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Without knowing which application was used to create the pages, I can't blame MS... it might have even been hand-typed, in which case it was the author's mistake (although Microsoft would be to blame for that by proxy, for conditioning the author to use \ instead of /)Reaverman said:
And you'd be surprised at how few... As a percentage of web usage by browser, firefox is hovering between 10 and 20 percent of the total amount. When you have limited time to work on something like this you need to play the odds and it is far more likely that someone will be viewing these pages in Internet Explorer than they will in Firefox. If 80% of the people looking at the page can't view it then the page might as well not exist. As people have noted the javascript code I've written has problems in firefox and they are free to take it and modify it as they see fit. I made the decision long ago to not support it. Firefox may be cool and all, but it isn't worth hours and hours of my time to get it working.
Generally a true statement. Firefox is extremely popular among the student crowd. I still can't tell if this is because Firefox is really that much better than IE or if it simply a way for this generation to "Fight the power" and "Stick it to the man". When it comes right down to it, they both do a darn good job at performing their basic role. Browsing the internet. All the additional features will appeal to a varying degree to different users and people will make their decisions based on that. I'd be curious to see how many people here would take the time to look over the new version of IE that incorporates a great many of the changes that Firefox originally introduced or if they'll simply say "It's MS so it must be bad" and stay wrapped in their superiority complex blanket.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
I'll take your word for it, but the sole solitary problem I've had with Firefox has been displaying the XML Shipviewer...Burger said:
Wulf
Yes that may be true, but it doesn't take into account user type and habits. The majority of internet users simply use IE for accessing web sites and general browsing because it came with their PC from Dixons, and they don't want to or know how to change it. Those who visit forums tend to be (on average) more confident and knowlegable about the internet and computers in general. Therefore, are more likely to know about the existance of alternatives to IE, and therefore more likely to be Firefox users.Obsidian said:
From the responses in this thread, there do seem to be a fair few Firefox users on this forum, so my theory is at least plausible
Before you get all therapist on the firefox community you should check your own 'superiority complex' at the door. Hate to be rude but the arrogance of you post is astounding. Most people use IE not because they made some enlightened choice but because it came on the machine. I did not switch to Firefox until I twice got caught in IE problems I was not updated enough to stop. Silly me that I, a non-computer literate type, do not want to have to spend hours and hours constantly updating my machine.
Ripple
Ripple
Burger said:From the responses in this thread, there do seem to be a fair few Firefox users on this forum, so my theory is at least plausible
LMAO...yeah, and this forum is a good example!
BTW, what platform you are using also matters too, and Burger you use a MS based OS a lot of the time dont you?
If you are truly going to be one othe uber internet surfers, you wont use MS at all. You'd have an OPEN BSD OS, and maybe Firefox browser. Using Firefox on MS, is like painting a Challenger black, and claiming its got an amazing stealth rating!
I was converted to firefox after seeing a friend use it (it's mainly the tabbed windows that hooked me) - I never actually knew the Shipviewer did funky stuff before as I had *always* browsed it with firefox.
Still I don't think it's a big deal guys - like obsidian says if a firefox groupie wants to change the code he's happy for you to have a go...alternatively you could use this plugin with firefox to solve those problems...
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/
BTW - Wulf - many thanks indeed for commenting on the plugin for firefox to view IE tabs - it had never occurred to me to look for one!
anyway - it works great even with Firefox 2.0
Still I don't think it's a big deal guys - like obsidian says if a firefox groupie wants to change the code he's happy for you to have a go...alternatively you could use this plugin with firefox to solve those problems...
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/
BTW - Wulf - many thanks indeed for commenting on the plugin for firefox to view IE tabs - it had never occurred to me to look for one!
anyway - it works great even with Firefox 2.0Right. That's because Firefox doesn't support ActiveX controls and I did a rather nifty bit of coding to get those XML/XSL transformations to work on the fly like I did in the original dynamic version. In this case I have to agree with Firefox's lack of support for this. Having the ability to access system level items from a bit of javascript can be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. In the right hands though it is an extremely powerful tool. In my case I was able to produce something that displayed the information for all the ships in just four files as oppossed to the 50+ that the static version takes up. Plus making changes to the display was easy. Change one file and the way ALL the ships are shown is changed.
It won't. According to MS they have done some security stuff that limits their ability to release it on platforms prior to Windows XP. Now, what one has to do with the other I couldn't tell you, but that's what they're saying. I'm going to chalk that one up to a combination of Budget and Marketing forces. It looks like a ploy to pull people off of the older Windows versions and at the same time sounds like something they simply don't want to spend money working on. We'll see though. If there is enough of an outcry from the people who use earlier versions then they just might find the time/money to get IE7 working on them.
And there it is... "I use Firefox because I'm smarter and better than everyone else." I've never once debated which one is better. That is a matter of opinion and people will simply have to agree to disagree on that matter. The simple fact is that the majority of the people out there use IE regardless of the reason and that shapes a great many decisions(including my own) on where to spend your programming time and money.
I have IE7 at home, its great. I like the tabbed stuff, its got 'Phishing' protection, and add blocking built into it.
BTW for all the flack that IE gets from users, if firefox had the stake share in browser. It too, would be having the same problems. Its the main reason why there are more windows based viruses, than Macs. Because there are more people, using windows based machines.
BTW for all the flack that IE gets from users, if firefox had the stake share in browser. It too, would be having the same problems. Its the main reason why there are more windows based viruses, than Macs. Because there are more people, using windows based machines.
Yer thats the problem of being the most used machine/OS/browser and whatever.
Same flak Linux users shoot at windows users: "I never get viruses!"
Yer no one makes the effort.....
But Obsidian is right, no one knows why firefox is so popular among the student crowd, but judging the female population, its either
a) ease of use
b) influence from family and boyfriends
Same flak Linux users shoot at windows users: "I never get viruses!"
Yer no one makes the effort.....
But Obsidian is right, no one knows why firefox is so popular among the student crowd, but judging the female population, its either
a) ease of use
b) influence from family and boyfriends
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Preople, people, interesting as the discussion of the relative merits of various browsers is, it doesn't really belong on this thread unless it directly pertains to the shipviewer.
Noone has yet said if reversing the slashes has allowed it to work in Firefox (to the extent that the links work) or if they have it got lost in the noise.
You want to download the source files and play with it to be FF compatible, there are links to shipviewer zip files of all versions in my Accolades post, which is linked to in my sig.
LBH
Noone has yet said if reversing the slashes has allowed it to work in Firefox (to the extent that the links work) or if they have it got lost in the noise.
You want to download the source files and play with it to be FF compatible, there are links to shipviewer zip files of all versions in my Accolades post, which is linked to in my sig.
LBH
To Obsidian
In what way did I say I was smarter? I was not smarter, I used what came with my machine until it stopped being usable and then I started using something that worked for me. I did not go back and pick up a new program because this one has continued to work for me. When I get a new box I will probably use what comes with it until it becomes a problem. That was the bloody point you aggrogant sob, its not 'I'm smarter and better..." its that people are fricking lazy and do not do effort they do not have to, much like you with your coding.
/edit/ sorry to be so rude but there is a certain snobbery on all sides of the Microsoft is evil/its useful arguements that it just makes me incredibly mad. Thought I should just edit with note, as it came out much harsher in text than when I was talking.
To everyone else
Sorry for the thread hijackieness of it all.
Thank you all for doing the ship viewers, they have been very helpful for many of our group. (even if the one did screw up our tournament fight a tad..=P)
Ripple
In what way did I say I was smarter? I was not smarter, I used what came with my machine until it stopped being usable and then I started using something that worked for me. I did not go back and pick up a new program because this one has continued to work for me. When I get a new box I will probably use what comes with it until it becomes a problem. That was the bloody point you aggrogant sob, its not 'I'm smarter and better..." its that people are fricking lazy and do not do effort they do not have to, much like you with your coding.
/edit/ sorry to be so rude but there is a certain snobbery on all sides of the Microsoft is evil/its useful arguements that it just makes me incredibly mad. Thought I should just edit with note, as it came out much harsher in text than when I was talking.
To everyone else
Sorry for the thread hijackieness of it all.
Thank you all for doing the ship viewers, they have been very helpful for many of our group. (even if the one did screw up our tournament fight a tad..=P)
Ripple
