JMS update pics

[emperorpenguin]

Didn't JMS fall out with Michael O'Hare though?

Anyone know if that was true or not?

Fall out?

My mistake, it was Doyle and O Hare, I remembered wrong!

Assuming you can trust JMS it was story purpose why commander was changed. Too much for 1 character to have personal issue on both Minbari war(the 24 hours which was becoming too overbearing) and Shadows(Sheridan's wife as it turns out. Wonder what this would have been with Sinclair? Sakai being captured by shadows and put into ship?).

I don't trust JMS on that, too contrived. The other rumour was O'Hare wasn't charismatic enough for tv. Certainly JMS story about season 4 always being meant to run that way doesn't ring true either.
Sakai was perfectly set up to be in place of Anna. Delenn would have married Sinclair and the show may have ended with WWE events

 

[tneva82]

The story I heard (second hand from the ed of SFX) was that Jerry Doyle and Michael O'Hare got into a fight (note you don't see them together in WWE)
That said I don't trust the guy who told me.....

Here's few comments by JMS regarding it:

I can probably answer your question a little better after you've seen the second episode of this season. For now, let's just say this: in working out the story for year two, Sinclair's main line of connection was to the Minbari. But the Minbari storyline was diminishing in ways onnected to the war in year two; obviously we all know what is on the upswing in year two, certain dark forces. I needed someone who has a connection to *that* side of the story to personalize it, and Sheridan brings that connection to the mix, although he doesn't know it yet.

Sheridan, or more specifically the need for someone *like* Sheridan began to get through clearly toward the latter part of last season, as I began planning out season two's progression, and kept looking at elements of the story and trying to find ways to get Sinclair into the heart of them. They felt contrived, for the most part; and the other characters, like Londo and G'Kar and Delenn, were *really* moving forward in a big way. The role of Sinclair was becoming primarily that of a "problem solver," and when that happens, a sort of glass bell falls down around the character, and you can't do much with him.

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I think I have read more about it but can't recall it top of my head. But I would be inclined to trust JMS more than second hand information

 

[tneva82]

I don't trust JMS on that, too contrived. The other rumour was O'Hare wasn't charismatic enough for tv. Certainly JMS story about season 4 always being meant to run that way doesn't ring true either.

What is there missing? Entering into civil war would have probably been lengthened by it but between S4 and S5 we are talking about difference of roughly 4 episodes. S4 would have ended in intersections in real time(JMS's words), then 2 more would have followed up to finish up civil war, no need for the S4 ending so that would have been freed...

4 last episodes would have been to S5 and something added in their place. Not HUGE changes. It wouldn't have been so abrupt as Ivanova shows one videotape and off we go but that's not major change.

Shadow war...What else really does that NEED to show more? It wasn't military campaign in a first place so episodes of big bada boom to show how shadows and vorlons keep trashing place wouldn't be needed(more than there were). Is there 4th plot line you think would have been followed then apart from shadow war/civil war/Garibaldi?

 

[tneva82]

Aha! Found the text I was thinking at. In case you haven't seen it(as if. Probably everybody here HAS seen it :lol

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/misc/sinclair-leave.html

Of course this leaves open question of wether he's telling the truth or not(certainly misinterpretations shouldn't be possible...Or does somebody concider "this is a mutual, amicable, and friendly separation" as vague?).

 

[emperorpenguin]

Well we know he was initially told that he wasn't getting a fifth season so he must have condensed some stuff.

The alternative is that he planned all along to have those bucket-head alien raiders and such in season 5 all along! :lol:

Back on topic do we know when this is set?

The Centauri (under Mollari presumably) attack New York. Why not Geneva? :?
Does the EA do anything in return?

 

[katadder]

cos everyone has to attack new york, mainly as its one of the most recognisable cities with the statue of liberty etc.
it got attacked in independance day, it got flooded and frozen in the day after tomorrow, and has been in numerous other films too.
cant get respect in the whos who of aliens attacking earth if you dont destroy new york

 

[emperorpenguin]

Aha! Found the text I was thinking at. In case you haven't seen it(as if. Probably everybody here HAS seen it :lol

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/misc/sinclair-leave.html

Of course this leaves open question of wether he's telling the truth or not(certainly misinterpretations shouldn't be possible...Or does somebody concider "this is a mutual, amicable, and friendly separation" as vague?).

Very vague! :wink: Maybe I'm just a sceptic at heart! I think it was more to do with ratings (unless there is truth to the fight thing which I doubt)

 

[emperorpenguin]

cos everyone has to attack new york, mainly as its one of the most recognisable cities with the statue of liberty etc.
it got attacked in independance day, it got flooded and frozen in the day after tomorrow, and has been in numerous other films too.

It didn't get attacked in http://www.cbs.com/primetime/jericho/ :wink: Or maybe it did? :? Damn Morse Code.......

 

[Burger]

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/misc/sinclair-leave.html

Of course this leaves open question of wether he's telling the truth or not

I think this is very truthful, and in fact I think it reveals a lot about how he isn't totally truthful in other places. He mentions "trap doors" being in place for each character, in case they can't continue filming for whatever reason. It is presumably one of these trap doors that was used when Talia left, when Ivanova left and when season 5 wasn't guaranteed to happen. He then said "ah I planned it that way all along", while this isn't lying as such, it is a bit omissive of the truth. I think he's been hanging arund Minbari too much :lol:

 

[tneva82]

Well we know he was initially told that he wasn't getting a fifth season so he must have condensed some stuff.

Yes. And as I pointed out JMS hasn't hide the fact S4 got changed. Notice how I mentioned that he has said intersection in real time was supposed to be S4 ending?-) (that WOULD have been interesting season ending...)

Question is: How MAJOR changes would have happened?

As I said probably would have added just 1-2 episodes more build up for civil war and some lighter episodes middle of season before civil war thingie starts full out.

Back on topic do we know when this is set?

10th aniversity of Alliance as I pointed out before. That's why Sheridan is going to B5. That would be 2271 or 7 years before Centauri liberation.

 

[emperorpenguin]

Back on topic do we know when this is set?

10th aniversity of Alliance as I pointed out before. That's why Sheridan is going to B5. That would be 2271 or 7 years before Centauri liberation.

Cheers I missed that!

So that puts it within the last year of Crusade (as planned) right?

So either Earth has JUST gotten over the plague and gets smacked! or plague quarantined Earth gets more bad news!

 

[tneva82]

cos everyone has to attack new york, mainly as its one of the most recognisable cities with the statue of liberty etc.

Hopefully JMS is prepared for the flood of hate mail though...Few inviduals seem to take blowing out statue "personally" even if done by "bad guys" :lol:

*remembers release of star wreck here*

 

[tneva82]

So that puts it within the last year of Crusade (as planned) right?

So either Earth has JUST gotten over the plague and gets smacked! or plague quarantined Earth gets more bad news!

Plague would have been found middle of S2 of crusade/early of S3(JMS commented on somebody estimating that cure would be found in S3 by saying "or even sooner..."). Rest of crusade would have involved more of EA and their study of shadowtech in secret.

Which means EA would be free of plague for about 3 years by then.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I'll be interested to see how it pans out that the EA loses at least one major city (maybe more get attacked) but doesn't follow up with an attack on Centauri Prime (War on Terror style)

 

[tneva82]

I'll be interested to see how it pans out that the EA loses at least one major city (maybe more get attacked) but doesn't follow up with an attack on Centauri Prime (War on Terror style)

They might be tad "vary" about going full out war with Drakhs?

Or did they know Drakhs were in Centauri before Londo freed Sheridan & Delen in 2278?

 

[emperorpenguin]

I'll be interested to see how it pans out that the EA loses at least one major city (maybe more get attacked) but doesn't follow up with an attack on Centauri Prime (War on Terror style)

They might be tad "vary" about going full out war with Drakhs?

Or did they know Drakhs were in Centauri before Londo freed Sheridan & Delen in 2278?

"Officially" they shouldn't know. Wasn't it Vir who told the universe about the Drakh? Certainly Seridan was clueless until Mollari's death.

Maybe the Dubya doctrine is anathema to 23rd century Earth? :lol:

 

[tneva82]

"Officially" they shouldn't know. Wasn't it Vir who told the universe about the Drakh? Certainly Seridan was clueless until Mollari's death.

Sheridan during WWE was OBVIOUSLY clueless. He had just jumped 17 years into future :wink:

Also it's one thing to not know about keepers and one thing to not know about drakhs.

And second idea: They might not be willing to take up against Centauri...Short of Minbari's lending bunch of Sharlins(and while Minbari's might find the destruction of NY horrendous would they be interested in punishment attack against centauri for it?) EA would suffer huge losses in all out war. Centauri's do happen to have formidable fleet afterall...

White star fleet while helpful isn't that big and probably around that time Victory class ships are very few(if they have yet managed to restart building process).

Also since we haven't SEEN how it's destroyed do they KNOW it's the centauri's who took it out?

We know it but what we as viewers see know it doesn't mean characters know it. Afterall we saw pretty much straight up that centauri's were behind attacks in S5 but took longer to find evidence for that

 

[emperorpenguin]

I am looking forward to this one now! I was sceptical after the movies and "Legend...." but this has potential!

 

[tneva82]

I am looking forward to this one now! I was sceptical after the movies and "Legend...." but this has potential!

My feelings exactly(though I'm not as anti-movie/anti-crusade/anti-LOTR as some of here). This one seems to be promising one.

Though might be just because they are using familiar cast :lol:

Also interested to see(or rather hear) what Franke has been up to with this one. He made some outstanding music to the original serie. I started to get good feelings about this one when I heard he would be responsible for the music again

 

[Locutus9956]

Well I for one am looking forward to this in a big way.

I didnt think much of the movies aside from ITB and LOTR was just.... ARGHHHHH!!!!! Brain shutting down in self defence to avoid remembering it!!!!

whew! That was a close one

Anyway Crusade I actually liked, sure it was cheesy and hardly grade A acting but I still think it had alot of potential and was just starting to really get interesting when it all got canned (as I've said before what would people think about B5 if IT had been cancelled halfway through season 1? Would we REALLY think it was all that great still? I doubt it somehow!)

These new eps are starting to sound really quite interesting and when alls said and done even if theyre bad eps theyre still new B5 and that counts for alot!