Is The K'kree Navy A Threat - I Think Not! / Virus

[Reynard]

K'kree, like so many aliens in media, are exaggerated to point out their uniqueness. No matter how much humanity tries to diverge, they still show great behavioral instinct of the troop monkey. We're so used to our behaviors as to not see it but I'd bet an alien xenobehaviorist would be surprised just how obvious it is.

K'kree are huge compared to us so architecture and ergonomics will reflect it and feel perfectly normal. Same with their herd mentality (like our troop mentality) and lifestyle preferring open and large spaces. It's always been that way for them and they think we're the strange ones. Don't forget the droyne find humans, aslan and vargr odd for overly spacious buildings and vessels.

As to their carnophobia, considering how often humans are willing to eradicate predators for so many excuses. We forget man once was very vulnerable to predation. It's instinctual to have such deep ingrained fear and hatred. Most people control themselves but too many still revert to almost mindless violence. It's safe to say an herbivore race with a greater instinct for the group could be far more phobic and violent towards meat eaters.

So let the K'kree be the huge, phobic, paranoid race just over the galactic horizon itching to clean out those meat eating monkeys they fear and distrust. How about some renegades who break off from Two Thousand Worlds to deal with the threat for the sake of the herds back home. There's a big gap that could afford some conflict.

 

[GypsyComet]

How about some renegades who break off from Two Thousand Worlds to deal with the threat for the sake of the herds back home. There's a big gap that could afford some conflict.

They are already there. Look up "Lords of Thunder".

 

[Reynard]

Wow, so there is a K'kree villain! Not much info though that doesn't cost $70-$90 for the book. Still it's good to know it's out there. Nice idea for a battleground that doesn't attract too much Imperial or 2KW attention for the moment.

If anyone has Gateway to Destiny, is the any information for K'kree ships or troops?

 

[GypsyComet]

Not really. They get more attention in their original appearance in MegaTraveller Journal 4, but are not really presented as being very different than the TTW K'kree aside from being "active". They are tinkering with the K'kree psyche a bit, promoting what the GURPS treatment calls the "Crazies" (the less claustrophobic ones) through training and genetic manipulation. Not sure I go for that last bit, given the K'kree view of their own perfection.

 

[Ishmael]

A long while ago, I did some work with K'kree and tried to actually stay reasonably close to the canon/OTU info I had. It was on another forum. Maybe it might be helpful...

http://www.sfrpg-discussion.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1222
http://www.sfrpg-discussion.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1249

 

[F33D]

K'kree, like so many aliens in media, are exaggerated to point out their uniqueness. No matter how much humanity tries to diverge, they still show great behavioral instinct of the troop monkey. We're so used to our behaviors as to not see it but I'd bet an alien xenobehaviorist would be surprised just how obvious it is.

Naw, show me artificial trees for the crew to swing & lounge on in military submarines then. That's how far the ship descriptions for K'kree goes.

You're thus, way off the mark.

 

[GypsyComet]

K'kree, like so many aliens in media, are exaggerated to point out their uniqueness. No matter how much humanity tries to diverge, they still show great behavioral instinct of the troop monkey. We're so used to our behaviors as to not see it but I'd bet an alien xenobehaviorist would be surprised just how obvious it is.

Naw, show me artificial trees for the crew to swing & lounge on in military submarines then. That's how far the ship descriptions for K'kree goes.

You're thus, way off the mark.

Ladders and bunks.

Have you seen some of the places they bunked people in the early subs? Even in the modern Navy, no one but the descendant of a brachiator would consider significant parts of the ships accessible, much less appropriate to live in.

 

[F33D]

Ladders and bunks.

Have you seen some of the places they bunked people in the early subs? Even in the modern Navy, no one but the descendant of a brachiator would consider significant parts of the ships accessible, much less appropriate to live in.

That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile...

 

[GypsyComet]

Ladders and bunks.

Have you seen some of the places they bunked people in the early subs? Even in the modern Navy, no one but the descendant of a brachiator would consider significant parts of the ships accessible, much less appropriate to live in.

That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile...

Abusive as usual, I see.

We use ladders and bunks because we are climbers, even after millennia on the ground. Gorillas use ladders and bunks every day, climbing trees via handholds and resting on high horizontal branches. Same muscles, same applications, but forest grown instead of machine stamped.

If anything, the K'kree are far more aware of their evolutionary pressures than we are. Like us, they build ships that work for them. We are agile climbers and, on average, claustro-, agora-, and acro- neutral. K'kree are claustrophobic and group-needy on average, and their ships reflect that.

 

[Reynard]

"That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile..."

Watch our primate cousins in zoo and in the wild. Trees are filled with ladder and bunk equivalents. On the other hand, our beds are modified grass nests.

We haven't hit the social behaviors we primates share. Sounds more like vargr yet human social bonds tend to break down beyond let's say a neighborhood level. We tend to show less concern for other humans beyond our local 'troop'.

 

[F33D]

"That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile..."

Watch our primate cousins in zoo and in the wild. Trees are filled with ladder and bunk equivalents.

I have and they don't use ladder & bunk equivalents. They sleep on available branches or against the trunk. No resemblance to bunk beds.

An equivalent on a sub would be vertical metal poles with branching horizontal pipes that the crew would climb up and sleep on. Also, since we also evolved as endurance hunters on the open plains & tribal structure ( a bit latter on) submarines would be massive structures where we could run in the open. We'd also have room on them for the multiple mates of the senior officers (Alpha males).

Putting it into human terms REALLY highlights the nuttiness of that race's description as a star fairing people.

 

[GypsyComet]

"That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile..."

Watch our primate cousins in zoo and in the wild. Trees are filled with ladder and bunk equivalents.

I have and they don't use ladder & bunk equivalents. They sleep on available branches or against the trunk. No resemblance to bunk beds.

An equivalent on a sub would be vertical metal poles with branching horizontal pipes that the crew would climb up and sleep on.

Bunks typically use angle iron instead of round pipe. Your statement claims radical difference, but is really just a distinction without a difference.

Also, since we also evolved as endurance hunters on the open plains & tribal structure ( a bit latter on) submarines would be massive structures where we could run in the open. We'd also have room on them for the multiple mates of the senior officers (Alpha males).

Submarines are the equivalent of the men out hunting mammoth or bear, so no harem space is required. That is all safely back in the cave. So is the running room, though Humanity is capable of letting the sub do the "running" in the vast expanses of the open sea. The psychological effect is the same, even if there are fewer calluses and mosquitos.

Putting it into human terms REALLY highlights the nuttiness of that race's description as a star fairing people.

Then don't play them. It is that simple.

 

[Infojunky]

"That's because there is no other way to squeeze people in on subs. We did NOT have ladders & bunks in our early evolutionary history. You missed the point by a mile..."

Watch our primate cousins in zoo and in the wild. Trees are filled with ladder and bunk equivalents.

I have and they don't use ladder & bunk equivalents. They sleep on available branches or against the trunk. No resemblance to bunk beds.

Man, you would so failed Evolutionary Anthropology and most of the related sorts of classes.

An equivalent on a sub would be vertical metal poles with branching horizontal pipes that the crew would climb up and sleep on.

Obviously someone who has never been on a Navy ship. Sailors sleep in Angle Iron all the time. Not to mention climbing up to sleep in a top rack. Ships are a 3d maze, very similar to the canopy level of a forest in many respects.

But we also design ship's that K'kree would love, they are called cruise ships, with all the difficult to maneuver around bits concealed and only accessed by servitors.

 

[F33D]

Obviously someone who has never been on a Navy ship. Sailors sleep in Angle Iron all the time. Not to mention climbing up to sleep in a top rack.

Incorrect. And no, sailors don't sleep on single, horizontal bars suspended off the floor.

Anything real to add to the discussion?

 

[Infojunky]

Obviously someone who has never been on a Navy ship. Sailors sleep in Angle Iron all the time. Not to mention climbing up to sleep in a top rack.

Incorrect. And no, sailors don't sleep on single, horizontal bars suspended off the floor.

As I said, You don't know what you are talking about period.

Anything real to add to the discussion?

Apparently as least as much as you do.

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

This discussion might have reached its end-point.

 

[Reynard]

Actually the point was well illustrated! A few troop monkeys began to hoot and howl then flung poo. I rest my case, Your Honor.

On the main point again, has anyone created herdships I'm assuming using High Guard before I go reinvent the wheel? Something on the size of a Baystar with battleriders. Wait, that sounds more like the mothership from Independence Day. Ooooo!

 

[Wil Mireu]

You have to wonder at their initial space program. I don't think any K'Kree would get in a tiny tin can like Vostok or Mercury (or even Apollo) like humans did. Even if scaled up to a big enough size to physically fit them, they'd just go completely nuts. So they'd need much bigger ships to take them into orbit initially, which means much bigger chemical rockets to launch them too (assuming their homeworld - which is the same size as Earth - has the same mass and gravity).

Their equivalent of Saturn V would have to be enormous. I don't even think they'd be able to get a big enough rocket up into space that could accommodate their claustrophobia - they'd have to launch it like an aeroplane or something and then boost it up there while it's still in the air.

 

[Reynard]

In other words necessity is the mother of invention. They overcame by finding a solution we would never consider. Never went the chemical route except maybe probes as we're doing now but plugged away because they HAD to reach the stars and experimented until discoveries such as fusion power and gravitic drives made flight possible.

Just because WE do it one way doesn't mean everyone must. Hell, the Aslan didn't even... oops.

 

[Wil Mireu]

In other words necessity is the mother of invention. They overcame by finding a solution we would never consider. Never went the chemical route except maybe probes as we're doing now but plugged away because they HAD to reach the stars and experimented until discoveries such as fusion power and gravitic drives made flight possible.

Just because WE do it one way doesn't mean everyone must. Hell, the Aslan didn't even... oops.

It's basic physics though, is the point. If you want to get something big off the ground in earthlike gravity, you need a lot of energy. Obviously they did it somehow - but rather than just going "eh, they just did it" I think it'd be worth thinking about how - it could influence their later approaches and designs.