Hyborias Fallen - Initial Impressions

[Raven Blackwell]

Who? The Gimp, yeah he had a zipper on his mouth. You don't have a gimp mask? :shock:

I find it muffles the screaming of my victims. Makes the whole experience less enjoyable..... :twisted:

 

[Bregales]

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!! (running for the listerine for my brain)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yogah of Yag]

Who? The Gimp, yeah he had a zipper on his mouth. You don't have a gimp mask? :shock:

I find it muffles the screaming of my victims. Makes the whole experience less enjoyable..... :twisted:

I think I'm gonna hurl. :shock:
I'm going to change my name to YOGAH OF GAG. :lol:

 

[Raven Blackwell]

That's my gift- knowing how to mess with people's minds. Usually by going through the skull with a blunt instrument, bu_=óîdigress....8)

 

[toothill man]

Who? The Gimp, yeah he had a zipper on his mouth. You don't have a gimp mask? :shock:

I find it muffles the screaming of my victims. Makes the whole experience less enjoyable..... :twisted:

right moving on swiftly :shock: :shock: :shock: or would raven stat out a temptress s+m class :shock: :wink: :lol:

 

[Raven Blackwell]

right moving on swiftly :shock: :shock: :shock: or would raven stat out a temptress s+m class :shock: :wink: :lol:

Not even if you begged me to....in RL I find S&M to be silly at nest and horrifying at worst. A friend once said- there's violence and there's sex. You're not supposed to have both at the same time.....

 

[Servant of Bit-Yakin]

sure what do ya want? Leather mask, chaps, a whip, few paddles, few gags. that's a whole evening of fun right there. :wink:

 

[René]

Well, Nymphs actually are from Greek Mythology.

Indeed, but they were semi-divine beings, not just human girls which is the Nymph combo.

PS: The same for the Siren.

 

[Sutek]

Can anyone else but me see that this thread strayed into innane long ago?

Maybe my opinion doesn't matter but I gotta drop it anyway. Call it "pulling a Raven" if you want (lol), but things must be said:

1) The Temptress. A new, class, the temptress, seems rather tacky. Vincent has tried hard to make the class a "serious" one, but the effort is almost totally undermined by several really cheezy cliches.

First, the Temptress is proficient with all simple weapons and whips. Yes, you heard it. Whips. How utterly cliche.

Second, in the multi-classing options, we have the Temptress/Borderer, aka "The Nymph". It contains such descriptions as "Nymphs often run naked through the wilderness, enjoying all things natural, even themselves". Wow. Double-utterly-cliche. Mongoose should be ashamed of printing such drivel. Are we playing "Conan, the RPG", or The Cheezy Soft Porn Late Night TV RPG" ?

At this point, I dont know who to blame for this, Vincent (who wrote it), or Mongoose (who told Vincent to write the Temptress). Why wasnt the Bandit (official class from S&P) included in the place of the Temptress ? Sure, I knew the potential for the new class to be lame, but I feel like this is money not well spent.

Harsh, and jsut barely a critique, but I can see that it stems from an unfettered dislike of the class, so bearing that in mind I can excuse the lack of any real basis of argument. This is a world where every Barbarian has a huge sword and every pirate is a master of the seas. Everything in this RPG is cliché, and I expect it will continue to be so. The line "Nymphs often run naked through the wilderness, enjoying all things natural, even themselves" is really pretty inocuous, if not poor word choice. If you see a delliberate soft-porn inuendo, then I'd suggest looking intowhy you see that and not why Vincint may have written it. They enjoy all theings natural. They also enjoy themselves. Very innocent in light of the fact that nyphs run around naked everywhere they go.

I also take issue with your assertion that the money yous spent wasn't worth it because the Temptress class is sub-par by your evaluation. Well, since you could have read through the class before bying it, I can't see how this is Mongoose's or Mr Darlage's fault. It sounds like a huge case of "buyers remorse" and apart from telling you to ignore the class, I can't help you get over that very easily.

I don't see any historicalk reason for a Nymph to use a whip, but the grapple and finesse uses of whips plus the fact that they are concealable and in the flavor of Temptresses makes me think that they are consistant, but just not something you like. That's fine. But in a game that reflects a worl that is entirely cliché anyway, your argument against these harlots as a valid class concept is pretty weak.

Lastly, why "blame" anyone? YOu know who wrote it and who authorise its being written. This is where you invite everyone jumping on your back because you decide to attack the individuals behind the creation of the calss and you therefore stray from you critique of the Temptress fully. Laying blame has nothing to do with hte validity of the class and has everything with you asserting your ego, trying to point a finger and feel superior in some way.

Now, to everyone else - Vincent had the best idea of all. He bowed out. This entire thread is embarrasing to me in that all everyone is doing is slamming Mad Dog or someoen else and it ceased being a constructive discussion about the book a hell of a long time ago. The rambling has surpassed pointless and apart from the few who see the humor in it and are posting as such, nearly wevery post has lacked substance since about page three. It's all jsut been a series of poking one another in the eye, and I think we're all a little more mature than that.

Now, can this go back to a discussion about the book, or is it too late for anything intelligent to be said?

 

[MadDog]

Sutek, do you really want me to answer your assertions, or should we let it die ?

Mad Dog

 

[Banite]

Assuming I have no intention of using any class other than those found in the base atlantean edition, is there much to warrant picking this book (or the other "hyboria's ----" for that matter) up? How much of the book is actually made up of classes page count wise?

I've avoided the hyboria's series of books thus far mostly because I'm concerned they don't provide as much usable material (for me) as Road of Kings/Pirate Isles or adventures do really.



PS: I still think the Black Stones of Kovag-Re is one of the better adventures made so far ;p

 

[Voltumna]

How much of the book is actually made up of classes page count wise?

The only new class introduced by the book is the Temptress, it is presented in 5 pages, and the book has 128.

Assuming I have no intention of using any class other than those found in the base atlantean edition, is there much to warrant picking this book (or the other "hyboria's ----" for that matter) up?

Absolutely. This is specially since you plan to stick with the classes from the core book. Those classes are discussed here under the light of the many cultrues of the Hyborian world. Then each class is somewhat expanded, with recomendations and some new rules for each class. There's new feats, combat manuevers, spells, and many other great stuff. Finaly multiclassing options are discussed, and variant rules are presented, some of which I think are very good.

 

[Raven Blackwell]

Indeed, but they were semi-divine beings, not just human girls which is the Nymph combo.

PS: The same for the Siren.

True- but in REH's Earth the Aesir, the Vanir, Asgard and Vanahiem became part of the Norse Mythology and made into mythical semi-divine beings and places through the race memories of the decendants of the Nordheimer. Thus Diana and her Nymphs and Sirens could have been diefied as well by the decendants of the Cornithians and Argoseans- the closest you get to Greeks in Hyboria- as well. Howard was big into 'demything' things as you will- trying to find non-magical explainations for things people saw as magical.