hey! You dont need Fire Control for Barbettes!

[Nerhesi]

Sorry - maybe I'm late to the game here but you don't need the 1-ton for fire control for barbettes! Only for Turrets and and Bays!

I just flipped through all the book designs and the rules on both the SRDs and the designs themselves. They seem to confirm that only turrets have that volume (1 or 2 tons depending on the turret) and bays (add 1 ton per bay!) - but all barbette entries seem to be at their flat volume with no additions.

 

[F33D]

I just flipped through all the book designs and the rules on both the SRDs and the designs themselves. They seem to confirm that only turrets have that weight (1 or 2 tons depending on the turret) and bays (add 1 ton per bay!) - but all barbette entries seem to be at their flat tonnage.

It's volume, not weight. Turrets require a volume of 1 ton. TOTAL. Not in addition to themselves.

 

[Nerhesi]

Yeah was just coming back to clarify that in my original post. So the only thing that requires an "excess" 1-ton are the bays.

 

[SSWarlock]

Eh? You mean we get a full one ton volume back on ship designs that allocate that ton to F/C for barbettes?

Edit: Interestingly, there's no F/C allocated for small craft carrying torpedoes either. See the Torpedo Boat, High Guard page 97.

 

[Sigtrygg]

50t and 100t bays need 1t of fire control?

Lol, I think that needs to be got rid of. Or 5t barbettes need to have it for consistency.

 

[Nerhesi]

Eh? You mean we get a full one ton volume back on ship designs that allocate that ton to F/C for barbettes?

Edit: Interestingly, there's no F/C allocated for small craft carrying torpedoes either. See the Torpedo Boat, High Guard page 97.

Yeah I just reviewed almost every supplement/alien module/little black book/what have you. Interesting note about carried torps too. Looks like the only time you ever need to adjust the volume is if it is 50 ton bay or 100 ton bay

And yes - I posted this finding in our other thread. All this means is possibly more cost savings for the cheapo fighters of mine while adding a reinforced bulkhead for the plasma barbette. I think we're going down to just below 80 Mcr for a 15 armor, Thrust 9, Plasma Barbette fighter

 

[Nerhesi]

50t and 100t bays nee 1t of fire control?

Lol, I think that needs to be got rid of. Or 5t barbettes need to have it for consistency.

I think it is pretty consistent - I dont see a single barbette with fire-control added. Almost every bay/large bay I see is calculated at 51 or 101 tons per weapon though. This is one of those few examples where the vast majority of designer ships are consistent no?

 

[F33D]

Edit: Interestingly, there's no F/C allocated for small craft carrying torpedoes either. See the Torpedo Boat, High Guard page 97.

NEVER look to the published ship designs to divine the rules. All to often whoever threw them together didn't not understand the ship design rules.

 

[JP42]

I can't speak for anyone else, but all I've ever wanted is for someone to clear up these questions and release some official errata for it.

 

[AndrewW]

I can't speak for anyone else, but all I've ever wanted is for someone to clear up these questions and release some official errata for it.

There is an official errata for High Guard, doesn't cover everything though (no mention of barbette fire control either way for example):

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpgs/traveller/core-rulebooks-accessories/book-2-high-guard.html

 

[barnest2]

I have issues with fire control. Never look at anything I write as an example, as it probably doesn't count towards officialdom

 

[JP42]

I can't speak for anyone else, but all I've ever wanted is for someone to clear up these questions and release some official errata for it.

There is an official errata for High Guard, doesn't cover everything though (no mention of barbette fire control either way for example):

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpgs/traveller/core-rulebooks-accessories/book-2-high-guard.html

And as odd and wonderful as it was to get an errata document for HG, it wasn't complete, it didn't address discrepancies between Core and HG, and it didn't address many of the issues with the ships in the game. Not sure if any of that was cleared up in Trillion Credit Squadron (yet to lay hands on this book yet) but once I do intend to mash the three of them together, along with the ship guides that already exist, and produce a canonical complete ship creation guide and stock ship registry - once I find all those discrepancies and decide which way is "correct" after all.

 

[Nerhesi]

I forgot to add the response in this thread.

I dont think this is in need of an errata. I have checked all published material and there are no* ships that add fire-control tonnage for a barbette.

*The exception is the Darrian book which gets a few other things wrong with ship design. But over a dozen other books have ships with barbettes, none of which assign firecontrol tonnage.

 

[Sigtrygg]

So if a 5t barbette includes fire control in its 5t why doesn't a 50 or 100t bay do the same?

 

[Nerhesi]

So if a 5t barbette includes fire control in its 5t why doesn't a 50 or 100t bay do the same?

No clue - my assessment was just based on RAW not the author's intent.