Greeks

[rcbecker1]

Does anyone have some stats worked up for the Greeks?

 

[Razgor1]

Does anyone have some stats worked up for the Greeks?

Hello rcbecker1,
i have a lot of informations for the greek ships WW1 and WW2.
I am very interested to play Naval War-Games from Balkan War 1912/1913 Greeks vs. Ottomans and also WW2 Greeks vs. Italians for example.

What do you exactly need ?

 

[rcbecker1]

If these are the real statts from ship books like Janes or Conways we can get the Game statts worked out for the game. I dont have the WWI resource to complete this if you can copy or scan this I can work it out . WWII I got was just hoping some one Else allready did the work. We can also write up some scenarios for Greek Vs Italian when the greek ships are completed.
I have an exstensive ship sheet library but am weak on specail ships and minor navies.
Ray

 

[Razgor1]

At the beginning of the WW2 the Greek Royal Navy had the following ships, which were operational:

Cruisers:
Old armoured cruiser AVEROFF (launched Mar 1910 in Italy)
An italian PISA-Class-Cruiser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_armored_cruiser_Georgios_Averof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisa_class_cruiser

Destroyers:
4 x italian Freccia class destroyers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freccia_class_destroyer
KOUNDOURIOTIS (commissioned Nov 32),
HYDRA (Nov 32
SPETSAI (May 33),
PSARA (May 33)

2 x british modified G-class destroyers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_and_H_class_destroyer
VASILEVS GEORGIOS I (27 Dec 38),
VASILLISA OLGA (4 Feb 39),

4 x british “Wild Beast Class”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Beast_class_destroyer
AETOS (1911)
IERAX (1911)
LEON (1911)
PANTHER (1911)


Torpedo boats(or small destroyers):
2 x british THYELLA-class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyella_class_destroyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_destroyer_Thyella
THYELLA (1906/07),
SPHENDONI (1906/07),

2 x british NIKI-class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_class_destroyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_destroyer_Niki
ASPIS (1906),
NIKI (1905),

5 x italian FIUME-Class TB
These ships were transferred to Greece from Austria-Hungary as War reparations for WW1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_torpedo_boat_Kydonia
PERGAMOS (comm 27 Sep 16 as Austro-Hungarian 95.F),
PROUSA (23 Mar 16 as 92.F),
KYZIKOS (19 Aug 15 as 98.M),
KIOS (29 Oct 15 as 99.M),
KIDONIA (13 Mar 16 100.M)

4 x ALKYONI-Class TB
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Aigli&offset=0
Not very much information about these ships…
AIGIL (comp 1913),
ALKYONE (1913),
ARETHOUSA (1913),
DORIS (1913,


Submarines:

2 x KATSONIS-Class (in fact they where French Circé class submarines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsonis_class_submarine
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Katsonis&offset=0
KATSONIS (20 Mar 26),
PAPANICOLIS (Nov 1926),

4 x french build GLAUCOS-Class
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Glafkos&offset=0
GLAUCOS (launched 1928),
NEREUS (Dec 1927),
PROTEUS (24 Oct 27),
TRITON (4 Apr 28)

AFAIK, there was no real naval fight between italians and greeks.
A few costal bombardments from both sides. A few night-time raids from the greek destroyers. And greek submarines managed to sink a few italian transports.

Nevertheless, it would be interested to get the stats for greek ships for a few small "what-if-szenarios".

Much more interested where the actions of the greeks in Balkan Wars 1912/1913 against the Ottoman Empire. But this is for AoD.

 

[Razgor1]

Here is the official Site from the Greek Navy with informations about old ships (ww1+ww2) and nice pictures:

http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/oldShips_en.asp

 

[Myrm]

If these are the real statts from ship books like Janes or Conways we can get the Game statts worked out for the game.
Ray

Hmm, do you have the conversion formulae - I dug out a huge list of ships and statted them up for another homegrown game system run by some friends in NZ, but it did mean I have a very large list of vessels from WWI and WWII from a combination of sources - starting with Conway, Brassey and Janes and using some internet based databases when desperate.

(Although if anyone knows how the Finish vessel Jääkarhu laid out her guns I'd love to know as I had to guess).

 

[redvark]

Hi did this get anywhere

I have the WW1 Grek Navy and the appropriate Janes Book so would be interested in getting them into the game

 

[rcbecker1]

I'll have to look if I don't have then at this time I could for sure write them up

 

[rcbecker1]

Heres what I have so far may do ML and Landing ships later.
Next Ill start statting them out.

Greek Navy

Armored cruisers

Georgios Averoff Class
Georgios Averoff

Light Cruisers

Helli Class
Helli

Coastal Defense

Ex US / Mississippi
USS Idaho (BB 25)/ Kilkis
USS Mississippi (BB 24)/ Lemnos

Destroyers

Aetos Class
Aetos
Ierax
Leon
Panther

Ydra Class
Koundouriotis
Psara
Spetsai
Ydra

Vasilefs Georgios Class
Vasilefs Georgios
Vasilissa Olga

Ex BRITISH/ E-Class
Navarinon / HMS Echo

Ex BRITISH/ B-Class
Salamis / HMS Boreas

Destroyers Escorts

Ex BRITISH/ Hunt 2-Class
Admiral Hastings
Aegion
Kriti
Themistocles

Ex BRITISH/ Hunt 3-Class
Adrias
Kanaris
Miaoulis
Pindos

Torpedo boats

ALKYONI-Class
Aigil
Alkone
Arethousa
Doris

Ex BRITISH/ Niki-Class
Aspis
Niki

Ex Austria-Hungary/
TB 98 ,Fiume - Class
Kidonia
Kios
Kyzikos

Ex Austria-Hungary/
TB 82 ,Fiume - Class
Pergamos
Prousa

Ex BRITISH/ Thyella-Class
Thyella
Sphendoni

Corvettes

Ex BRITISH/ Flower Class
HMS Hyacinth / Apostolis
HMS Coreopsis / Kriezis
HMS Peony / Sachtouris
HMS Tamarisk /Tompazis

Motor Torpedo Boats

T - Class
T1
T2

Sub Chasers

PC461 Class
USS PC 622/ Vasilefs Georgios

Submarines

Ex FRENCH/ Katsonis-Class
Katsonis
Papanicolis

Ex FRENCH/ Glafkos/-Class
Glafkos/ Glaucos
Nereus
Proteus
Triton

Ex Italian/ Perla
Perla/ Matrozos

Ex BRITISH/ U Class
HMS Untiring/ Amphitriti
HMS Upstart/ Xifias

Ex BRITISH/ V Class
HMS Vengeful / Delfin
HMS Veldt/ Pipinos