German Optics & Radar

[Oly]

Do the effects of German optics and radar stack?

The optics give a +1 attack bonus for main guns at long or extreme ranges.

In good weather and during the day radar causes the long range penalty to be ignored while the penalty for attacking at long range is reduced to -1.

Given as how they're described in different ways they could stack.

I can logically see it both ways.

On the one hand superior optics would give a back up to the radar when it came to fire control and would help out.

On the other one you could argue that if you're relying on your radar to target then that's all you can use.

Any thoughts?

Edited to add:
Just read S&P Wargamer #41. In the battle report in there under turn one it seems to imply that they do stack. It says that the Germans detect their targets with radar and "along with" the +1 bonus the KM get they scored some good hits.

 

[Poi]

I wouldn't go to the battle reports for rules.

They do get things wrong in places.

 

[Reaverman]

Do the effects of German optics and radar stack?

The optics give a +1 attack bonus for main guns at long or extreme ranges.

In good weather and during the day radar causes the long range penalty to be ignored while the penalty for attacking at long range is reduced to -1.

Given as how they're described in different ways they could stack.

I can logically see it both ways.

On the one hand superior optics would give a back up to the radar when it came to fire control and would help out.

On the other one you could argue that if you're relying on your radar to target then that's all you can use.

Any thoughts?

Edited to add:
Just read S&P Wargamer #41. In the battle report in there under turn one it seems to imply that they do stack. It says that the Germans detect their targets with radar and "along with" the +1 bonus the KM get they scored some good hits.

Thats how we play it mate, but remember the German radar bonus only applies on the forward arc!

 

[Der Kommandant]

i think that this was officially answered and the answer was yes they stack.

 

[Oly]

Thanks for the responses, I'll go with the stacking.

 

[VonTed]

There are official answers somewhere?!! :shock:

So there is a FAQ or Lessons Learned hiding somewhere?

 

[Der Kommandant]

far from it... on one or two occassions mongoose has decided to bless us with an actual answer.
i think its floating around the rulesmasters forum.

 

[Ostmann]

I asked the same question i nthe rulemaster section below is the answer

The modifiers for the Germans are cumulative - so they do get +1 for Radar and +1 for their gunnery.

The German radar only works for the front arc. If a ship moves out of the front arc after being acquired (either ship's movement can cause this) then the positive modifier is lost and the target will have to be reacquired with the radar if it moves back into the front arc

 

[DM]

I play it so that they don't stack. The "excellent German long rnge gunnery" thing is something of a myth anyway.