French Military Success

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LOL @ "completely wrong"

Firstly, there are two acts of Union and in any case it's the union of the crowns (not an act of either parliament) which originally 'united' Scotland and England, under our king, James VI who became James of England, as well. James attempted to foster a new unity under the name "Great Britain" (where that phrase dates to, essentially, in terms of UK history) but failed as did several attempts in the Scots and English parliaments to create a political union.

In 1707, after a lot of work the previous year, the Acts of Union were passed in the Scots and English parliaments, despite strong opposition in both nations. In an effort to further underline this supposed new entity it became the fashion of Unionists to refer to Scotland as "North Britain" and on the heels of that came various attempts to suppress Scots identity, especially that of the Gaels (Highlanders and Islanders). This new entity was styled "The United Kingdom of Great Britain", incorporating essentially we today call "Norther Ireland" or Ulster (most of which had been settled by Scots) and also Wales which was subject to the English crown. Later, in 1800, all of Ireland was joined to this union, forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. When the Irish successfully won independence, this styling was retained even though territorially what was left amounted to the previous UK of GB, thus we are today "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". HTH

P.S. Wales is and has been a principality or princedom subject to the English crown ever since its final conquest by Edward; it's never stopped being Wales.
 
Pardon me, could someone explain (or clarify) the following for me?

Swabian
Is this like an ethinic group, a regional group or ??
Is this like saying I am a Kansan (my state), Jayhawk (what name was used to describe Kansas citizens a long time ago), or something different?

I am not meaning to go off topic (if this is off topic) but I honestly don't know nor understand what the differences are (between Swabian and some of the other groupings mentioned). Or if they are any real differences other than historical or cultural.

Please remember (consider) that even though I am very open minded, not all of us in the United States, were educated in things outside of the United States. (Something that I think is severely lacking in my country's education system, IMO).

Also, for how this could relate to Traveller (since this is a Traveller forum), could these difference (and the lack of understanding the differences) be something that could be found in the Imperium?

Dave Chase
 
Dave Chase said:
Swabian
Is this like an ethinic group, a regional group or ??
Is this like saying I am a Kansan (my state), Jayhawk (what name was used to describe Kansas citizens a long time ago), or something different?

Teh Intarweb is kinda useful for this :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabia
 
Dave, re: Traveller (and Imperium)

These are the kinds of real life complications which actually are realistic and add that touch of flavour and believability to seemingly monolithic entities, along with the controversy and arguments about the precise status and where the lines are drawn. ;¬)

I happen to be an SNP member and so favour the ending of the Union (and forming of a republic) but the immediate reality is that both I and Valarian (from his location) are citizens (no longer subjects, thanks to the EU) of the United Kingdom, a state that has existed for several centuries now without actually tearing itself apart and which still has strong local cultures and identities (and some serious grudge matches) - LBH isn't kidding about us supporting anyone else against the English in sporting events, especially Germany just for pure "get up their nose" value. *weg*
 
Thanks EDG, but that looking on the olde intra net (before www stuff ;) )
is why I asked my question, to make sure I was understanding.

You see, it sounds (reads) like saying someone is Swabian is like saying someone is a Texan, or Southerner, or such.

I was just wanting to make sure.

I didn't want to assume. I did that once with some friends from China and they explained just how many regional Chinese (cultures and ethinics) their were.

Thanks again, though.

Dave Chase
 
Dave Chase said:
Pardon me, could someone explain (or clarify) the following for me?
Swabian
Is this like an ethinic group, a regional group or ??
It is a tribe. :D

Germany is subdivided into regions mostly inhabited by descendants of
related, but distinct tribes, which still have different cultures and speak
different dialects of German (a Prussian would have a very hard time
trying to understand my home dialect).

The German states began their history after the Migration Period as the
regions settled by specific tribes that took part in the migration, and in
most cases the historical continuity has been unbroken. For example, Ba-
varia was founded around 550 AD as the region settled by the tribe of the
Bavarians and ruled by their tribal duke.

The Swabians are descendants of the Suebians of the Migration Period,
a tribe that settled west of the Bavarians, mostly in the state now called
Baden-Württemberg after the noble houses that ruled it much later.

The exception are the Swabians given to Bavaria by Napoleon, as men-
tioned above, and who now live in the "wrong" tribal state. :(
 
zanwot said:
Do we have 3 different topic drifts going on here, or am I missing one ? :roll:
Well, almost all of the wars the French fought were European wars, and
in a way all European wars were - and still are - tribal wars, in which
various tribes - like the English, Scots and Welsh - fought each other.

You see, we all have been right on topic all the time. :lol:
 
Certainly did and I also have a very nice book all about the town and walked on the walls, bought ice cream from the Italian, etc, etc. ;¬)
 
Thank you rust for the clarification.

So, I was wrong in my thinking of comparing Swabian to being like a Kansan or Texan.

That helps me understand some of the comments better. Thanks

Dave Chase
 
zanwot said:
Do we have 3 different topic drifts going on here, or am I missing one ? :roll:

4 now by my count: :)

1. Quality of French military throughout history
2. Origin of the "English" Longbow
3. CotI forums (flaming? rivalry?)
4. What the 'ell is a Swabian

I've found interest in all of the above, but looks like only 25% of the topics are about Traveller. :)
 
Sturn said:
zanwot said:
Do we have 3 different topic drifts going on here, or am I missing one ? :roll:

4 now by my count: :)

1. Quality of French military throughout history
Currently this is only talking about ancient French history. Soon, they should advance to history of the French and their colonies after Jump is discovered. Then I would expect that they would talk about the French colonies and the long night. ;)
2. Origin of the "English" Longbow
History of ancient, non-powered range weapons. Part of any survival course, yes?
3. CotI forums (flaming? rivalry?)
I think that this one was answered and died. But it was off topic. :lol:
4. What the 'ell is a Swabian
Asked along the same lines of what is a Vagr. Much important to know what a Swabian is. So important that it cause a new thread. ;)

I've found interest in all of the above, but looks like only 25% of the topics are about Traveller. :)

See, they are all part of the Traveller universe. It just depends on how you look at it. :lol:

Dave Chase
 
Just imagine a parallel OTU where the regions corewards of the Third Im-
perium are controlled by Swabians, uplifted by the Ancients, who are ru-
led by Kaiser Friedrich XXIV of the house Hohenstaufen, and whose much
feared shock troops are their French mercenaries armed with devastating
Welsh plasma longbows (remember Star War's Wookie bowcasters ?) -
and then post a description of it on CotI and ask whether it is canonical.

You see, it all fits together perfectly ... :D
 
Sturn said:
I've found interest in all of the above, but looks like only 25% of the topics are about Traveller. :)

This thread is actually serving its intended purpose of NOT pulling other Traveller threads off-topic.

Can any reasonable person turn to a thread called French Military Success and expect it to be about the French in the Third Imperium?
 
atpollard said:
This thread is actually serving its intended purpose of NOT pulling other Traveller threads off-topic.

It's still off-topic though. This is a Traveller board, not a RW politics board.
 
rust said:
The Swabians are descendants of the Suebians of the Migration Period,


If those are the same guys mentioned by Julius caesar in The Gallic War, they sure didn't move far after they crosed the Limes...and were already pushing over the border in his time....typical Swabians.

Hey. Wasn't Rommel a Swabian ?
 
captainjack23 said:
If those are the same guys mentioned by Julius caesar in The Gallic War, they sure didn't move far after they crosed the Limes...
Yep, they are those guys mentioned by Julius Caesar. :D
Wasn't Rommel a Swabian ?
And another "yep", he was a Swabian. :D
 
rust said:
Just imagine a parallel OTU where the regions corewards of the Third Im-
perium are controlled by Swabians, uplifted by the Ancients, who are ru-
led by Kaiser Friedrich XXIV of the house Hohenstaufen, and whose much
feared shock troops are their French mercenaries armed with devastating
Welsh plasma longbows (remember Star War's Wookie bowcasters ?) -
and then post a description of it on CotI and ask whether it is canonical.
You are really making me want to do exactly that, go and post an attempt of this "canonical" interpretation on CotI. You'd have to do it properly to make it believable, but gosh, the fun and fireworks! I don't have anywhere the time to prepare it properly these days, but I may give it a go when I have more time. Priceless.
 
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