Eurofighter / typhoon / Ef2k

Mr Evil

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ok i realy hope mongoose do these Eurofighter.

here us some fun info for us war nerds, and evan a comparison to our over the pond friends :) im anti the aircraft but i love the way it looks.

The project has been named and renamed a number of times since its inception, having been known as EFA (European Fighter Aircraft), Eurofighter, EF2000 (Eurofighter 2000), and most recently Typhoon.


Production
The Eurofighter Typhoon is unique in modern combat aircraft in that there are four separate assembly lines (the F-16 was only produced internationally under limited licences). Each partner company assembles its own national aircraft, but builds the same parts of all 620 aircraft.


Inventory
Despite many delays and controversies over cost, the Typhoon is now in series production.

In British service, the aircraft is supposed to replace the Tornado F3 and the Jaguar GR3A.

The Tornados will be replaced from 2006-2010, and the Jaguars from 2010-2014. Initial deliveries of the Typhoon to the RAF have begun. The first unit to form was an Operational Evaluation Unit, No. 17 Sqn in 2003, followed by the Operational Conversion Unit, 29 Sqn at BAE Warton in 2004. The aircraft are expected to move to RAF Coningsby in 2005. The initial designations for the RAF aircraft are T1 for the two-seater trainer, and F2 for the single-seater operational fighter.

An extensive overseas sales effort has so far yielded an order from Austria for 18 units, and an initial interest from Greece for 60 aircraft. Norway has also expressed interest, but has yet to buy any Eurofighters. Other countries expressing interest include South Africa, Chile, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

The Typhoon could possibly meet the requirements of the UK's Future Offensive Air System programme, which is seeking to replace the deep-strike capability provided by the Tornado GR4. If selected, the Typhoon would likely be modified for internal weapons carriage and increased internal fuel capacity.


Combat Performance

German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder with a new Luftwaffe EurofighterFor a detailed comparison of the Typhoon and other fighters see: Comparison of 2000s fighter aircraft.

The Typhoon's combat performance, particularly compared to the upcoming F/A-22 Raptor and F-35 fighters under development in the United States and the Dassault Rafale developed in France, has been the subject of some speculation. While making a complete assessment is impossible on publicly available information, there is a study by DERA comparing the Typhoon to other contemporary fighters.

In June 2005, The Scotsman reported (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=673262005) that, in a mock confrontation with two American F-15 fighter craft, the Eurofighter was not only able to avoid his pursuers, he succeeded in getting into shooting position. Unattributed statements indicate that the success of the craft came as a surprise to both the Americans and the RAF.

While the Typhoon lacks the all-aspect stealth technology of the F/A-22, the design does incorporate many low-observable features, resulting in a much smaller radar cross-section than earlier fighters. It is also capable of sustained supersonic cruise without using afterburners. The F/A-22 is the only other fighter with supercruise capabilities.

According to EADS, the maximum speed possible without reheat is Mach 1.5 (although this drops to Mach 1.3 with an air-to-air weapons load).


Problems
As German newspapers reported in 2004, the few Eurofighters in service with the Luftwaffe did not meet specifications at that time. Because of technical difficulties, the aircraft is only allowed to take off without cannon ammunition and at moderate temperatures. However, it is important to note that early aircraft are delivered at a baseline state, with capability to be increased incrementally; indeed, BAE has stated that the capability of the aircraft will increase at a faster rate than the training of pilots.


Versions
Development aircraft (DA)- Seven aircraft with varying equipment fits and missions
DA1 (Germany) - Airframe, engine and Flight Control Software (FCS)
DA2 (Britain) - FCS development and envelope expansion
DA3 (Italy) - Weapons systems development
DA4 (Britain) - Radar and avionics development, being upgraded to Tranche 2 standard
DA5 (Germany) - Radar and avionics development, being upgraded to Tranche 2 standard
DA6 (Spain) - Airframe development and handling
DA7 (Italy) - Navigation, avionics and missile carriage
Instrumented Production Aircraft (IPA) - Five production standard aircraft for further system development
IPA1 (Britain) - Defensive Aids Sub System (DASS)
IPA2 (Italy) - Air-to-surface weapons integration
IPA3 (Germany) - Air-to-air weapons integration
IPA4 (Spain) - Air-to-surface weapons integration and environmental development
IPA5 (Britain) - Air-to-surface and air-to-air weapons integration
Series Production Aircraft (SPA) - Production aircraft for partner nations.
RAF Typhoon T1 - British twin seat trainer
RAF Typhoon F2 - British single seat operational fighter




Austria: EUR 63 million "fly-away cost" (only the plane) and 100 million "system cost" (logistics, support, subsystems DASS, MIDS)
Germany: EUR 85 million "system cost"
First flight: 1994
In service date: first deliveries of production aircraft in 2003
Users: UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria; possibly Greece

Development timeline
1972
RAF issues Air Staff Target 396 (AST-396), a requirement for a STOVL aircraft to replace the Harrier and Jaguar fleets.
AST-403, specification revised for an air superiority fighter. STOVL requirement dropped and AST-409 lead to the development of Harrier GR5.
Mid-1970s
France, Germany and UK initiate the European Combat Aircraft programme (ECA).
1979
Following differing requirements (particularly French requirement for carrier compatibility,) BAe and MBB propose the European Combat Fighter (ECF)
1981
Development of different national prototypes and continued differences over specification lead to cancellation of ECF programme.
Panavia partners (Germany, Italy and UK) launch Agile Combat Aircraft (ACA) programme. Following failure of Germany and Italy to fund development the UK MoD pays £80m prototype, the European Aircraft Programme (EAP.)
1983
May - Contract for production of EAP prototype signed.
Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Spain launch Future European Fighter Aircraft (F/EFA) programme. Aircraft to have Short Take Off and Landing (STOL) and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) capabilities.
1984
France reiterates requirement for carrier capable version and demands 50% workshare. Britain, Germany and Italy opt out and establish new EFA programme
1985
France officially withdraws, commences ACX project.
October 27 - EAP demonstrator rolled out at BAe Warton.
1986
June - Eurofighter GmbH established.
August 8 - EAP makes its first flight. Configuration closely matches final Eurofighter design.
Rolls-Royce, MTU Aero Engines, FiatAvio (now Avio) and ITP form EuroJet Turbo GmbH for development of EJ200.
1988
November 23 - Contracts signed for production of demonstrator engines and airframes.
1990
CAPTOR RadarEuroRADAR formed for development of ECR-90 (CAPTOR) radar (right).
1991
May 1 - Last flight of EAP demonstrator.
1992
EuroDASS formed for development of Defensive Aids Sub System (DASS.) Initially only UK and Italy participate. When Eurofighter enters service only RAF aircraft will exploit all capabilities of DASS.
July - Germany announces intention to withdraw from the project. Negotiations begin to reduce costs. As a single engine aircraft is ruled out Germany decides to fit cheaper systems, e.g., F/A-18's APG-65 in place of ECR-90, and delay its service entry by two years. Germany eventually participates in all systems.
December - Renamed Eurofighter 2000.
1994
March 27 - Maiden flight of first development aircraft, DA1 from DASA at Manching with RB199 engines.
April 6 - Maiden flight of second development aircraft, DA2 from BAe Warton. DA2 also flew with RB199s.
1995
June 4 - Maiden flight of Italian DA3, the first with EJ200 engines.
1996
August 31 - Spanish DA6 becomes the first two-seater to fly.
1997
January 27 - First flight of DA7 from Turin.
February 24 - Maiden flight of German DA5, first aircraft to be fitted with ECR-90.
March 14 - Maiden flight of UK's DA4, the second two-seater and last of the seven development aircraft.
1998
January - First aerial refuelling trials, involving DA2 and an RAF VC10 tanker.
January 30 - NETMA and Eurofighter GmbH sign production and support contracts for 620 aircraft.
September - Typhoon name adopted, announced as strictly for export contracts. There is some controversy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/163092.stm) as the last aircraft to bear the name was the Hawker Typhoon, a World War II aircraft.
December 18 - Tranche 1 contract signed.
1999
Eurofighter International established as single contracting/management company to handle all export sales.
2000
March 8 - First export sale, 60 ordered and 30 options by Greece.
May 16 - UK commits to MBDA Meteor BVRAAM, leading to significant benefits for export prospects.
July 7 - DA2 emerges from ten month stand down with latest avionics. Finished in black (see below) to reduce cosmetic effect of 490 pressure transducers applied to airframe.
2002
April 5 - Instrumented Production Aircraft (IPA2) makes maiden flight from Turin.
April 11 - IPA 3 makes maiden flight from EADS Military Aircraft, Manching, Germany.
April 15 - IPA 1 makes maiden flight from BAE Warton.
July 2 - Austria announces acquisition of 24 Typhoon's, later reduced to 18.
July 23 - "Typhoon" name officially adopted as in-service name by four partner nations.
November 21 - Spain's DA6 crashes about 110 kilometres (70 miles) south-west of Madrid. The problem is later attributed to an early development model of the EJ200 powerplant, a problem which the manufacturer insists cannot occur in production engines.
December 11 - Flight testing resumes.
2003
February 13 - First Series Production Aircraft, GT001 flies from Manching. This is the first of Germany's 180 aircraft.
February 14 - In the space of just over an hour Italy's IT001 and Britain's BT001 make their maiden flights.
February 17 - Spain's ST001 flies from EADS Military Aircraft, Getafe, Spain.
June 30 - "Type Acceptance" signed, marking formal delivery of aircraft to the partner nations.
October - Integration of Meteor begins
2004
June 27 - Two RAF Typhoon T1s depart UK for Singapore for marketing and training
December 15 - UK confirms purchase of second batch of 89 aircraft, the last nation to commit to "Tranche 2" production of 236 aircraft.
 
Didn't msprange say there'd be Typhoon 2's, or wasn't there a battle report or something with 'em in it? I seem to recall...
 
judgedoug said:
Didn't msprange say there'd be Typhoon 2's, or wasn't there a battle report or something with 'em in it? I seem to recall...
yes indeed. It's in the S&P 39 preview.
 
does the Typhoon 2 get cannons? cos the current one doesnt :) it has concrete instead cos its cheaper but needed to keep plane weight the same.
 
katadder said:
does the Typhoon 2 get cannons? cos the current one doesnt :) .

Typhoon 2 is the Typhoon. Mk 1 was the Hawker original in WWII.

katadder said:
it has concrete instead cos its cheaper but needed to keep plane weight the same.

Actually theres a very good military explanation for that that has nothing to do with cost. I can't for the lfe of me think what it is but the MOD must have one - I mean they couldn't really be so moronic as to repeat the mistake of the 60's by relying on missles alone.

No, hang on they've just repeated the mistake of 1918 by getting rid of the autonomous Fleet Air Arm, I take that back.
 
Because the price spiralled out of control Geoff Hoon wanted some pay back for keeping the project going RAF realised they no choice of anything else unless they played ball so agreed to have the cannon removed in production batches 2 and 3. First batch has the 27mm because it was to late to stop the inclussion. The stupid thing is nothing was saved by not including the cannon because the aircraft was balanced to carry the weapon so some adjustments had to be made to computer fly by wire program so as not to make the aircraft unstable. The first batch as I say has the cannon but Hoon being Hoon and a natural born idiot has made sure that no ammo is purchased for the weapon. The other stupid thing is they could have removed the 27mm cannon from decomissioned F3 Tornados and fitted them to Typhoons but that was to simple for MOD. I wonder how some of these idiots sleep at night and how the RAF will go on if they have to intercept a hijacked airliner in UK air space only have two options do nothing or shoot it down with a missile no chance of firing lead across the nose as a warning.
 
I knew I read about this somewhere.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/03/ntyph03.xml

Another dumb-assed cost cutting scheme bites the dust. The whole affair must have ended up costing the taxpayer more, rather than less. I love politicians. Makes you want to buy a rifle and vote from the rooftop.
 
How would aircraft work in the game anyway? Helo's I can understand because thier are relitivly slow, but the Typhoon, J-12, F-35(I hope), are so fast that at this scale they would never be on the on the table long enough to matter. Though, I would kill to have a wing of mongoose F-35s, I can't paint for crap.
 
Martin said:
I wonder how some of these idiots sleep at night

It is a universal thing among leaders. We have a subscription to Jane's Defence Weekly and you see one idiotic thing after another. The SA80 being replaced (not wholly bad, but see what they are looking to replace it with), the Israeli anti-missile defence programmes (try multiplying the cost of each missile with the number of warheads Hebollah used, then remember these things have to be scattered all round the border), investigations into the Eurofighter deal with Saudi Arabia suddenly cancelled, a spat over the JSF (and we were so close to having to use French aircraft instead - imagine how that would have looked!), and so on. . .
 
Well technically they'd all be dropping JDAMs from 50 miles away or Storm Shadows from further (or the future equivalents).

But they'll probably work similarly to the SST Tac Fighters in the game (and, lets face it that's far more fun than just a sudden "BOOM! You dead" effect).
 
Nekomata said:
How would aircraft work in the game anyway? Helo's I can understand because thier are relitivly slow, but the Typhoon, J-12, F-35(I hope), are so fast that at this scale they would never be on the on the table long enough to matter. Though, I would kill to have a wing of mongoose F-35s, I can't paint for crap.

Much as in Starship Troopers, fast jets perform bombing runs, dashing across the table in little more than a turn in some circumstamces. You have opportunities to use AAA and even swing another fighter onto their tails, but it is all strictly short ranged stuff.

Yes, a gunship is probably more effective. But there are times when nothing less than a 2,000 lb. JDAM will do :)
 
Cailet said:
Well technically they'd all be dropping JDAMs from 50 miles away or Storm Shadows from further (or the future equivalents).

You can do that too - the rulebook has systems for handling long-ranged attacks, be it from aircraft or artillery. However, if you have ever done a low level bombing run in a flight sim, it makes sense to let you do it on the tabletop. Besides, an aircraft on the table on one of our new stands just looks good. And that is reason enough to at least make them an option :)
 
Starship troopers has imho, the best rules for aircraft i've seen in any 28 mm game, i'm trying to write up conversions of it for all my other games,(40k for exampkle, the FW system is plain boring) not too hard since they have their own phase and that's quite easily incorporated in any system:)
 
We have a subscription to Jane's Defence Weekly and you see one idiotic thing after another.

DDG-1000, LCS, willwe / won't we build CVF, "smart acquisition", ... :)
 
I've only play SST as a short demo at Ohayocon, a local anime conversion. I considered getting into it, but me and painting have issues. Hm, I wonder if someone will have BF:evo there next year.
 
Oh, is it safe to get my hopes up about seeing a F-35 model? It's one of my favorites and its really the only jet the Marines would be using.
 
DM said:
We have a subscription to Jane's Defence Weekly and you see one idiotic thing after another.

DDG-1000, LCS, willwe / won't we build CVF, "smart acquisition", ... :)

no idea what your on about lol, but do you mean there considering to not build the deepstrike aircraft carriers ? if so can we storm goverment and shoot them :D
 
msprange said:
Cailet said:
Well technically they'd all be dropping JDAMs from 50 miles away or Storm Shadows from further (or the future equivalents).

You can do that too - the rulebook has systems for handling long-ranged attacks, be it from aircraft or artillery. However, if you have ever done a low level bombing run in a flight sim, it makes sense to let you do it on the tabletop. Besides, an aircraft on the table on one of our new stands just looks good. And that is reason enough to at least make them an option :)

:D

Nice one Matt. You best have some on show on the 3rd...
 
Nekomata said:
Oh, is it safe to get my hopes up about seeing a F-35 model? It's one of my favorites and its really the only jet the Marines would be using.

Well I saw something about them having the F-35B (that's the carrier version right?) last time, it's a pretty safe bet.

I assume that the increasing tension caused the US to tell every other JSF partner to stick it where the sun don't shine rather than everyone getting some (since most of the partners are European). Or will there be a chance to see F-35 on F-35 combat?
 
Cailet said:
Nekomata said:
Oh, is it safe to get my hopes up about seeing a F-35 model? It's one of my favorites and its really the only jet the Marines would be using.

Well I saw something about them having the F-35B (that's the carrier version right?) last time, it's a pretty safe bet.

I assume that the increasing tension caused the US to tell every other JSF partner to stick it where the sun don't shine rather than everyone getting some (since most of the partners are European). Or will there be a chance to see F-35 on F-35 combat?

O, I would love that, this game is starting to sound more and more like the novel my friend and I are writting.
For referance F-35A USAF, F-35B USNAF, F-35C USMC, F-35K(?) RN
 
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