Fleet Box Fighter Question

[CrookedWookie]

I was hoping someone can clear up something for me regarding the fleet boxes. I'm assuming that in the "5 point Battle" cost of the assembled fleet any fighters are included at their "per wing" cost or what have you, right?

And I know I've read on a few posts that some of the fleets do come with enough fighters to make up the possible complement of all included ships, while others do not.

My question is more or less this; if you're buying them "per wing" as part of the fleet, shouldn't they technically be in addition to any fighters carried by the ships themselves?

I haven't read the 2e rules yet but as I understand the original rules all ships were assumed to HAVE whatever flights of fighters they can carry, as part of their own PL cost. So any 'bought' fighter wings start on the table and are in addition to those carried by the fleet.

I understand in terms of the price of models and everything but that still seems a little wonky, or cheap or something to me. I get why it makes sense for Mongoose on a financial level, but it still seems like in terms of the point cost of the fleet they're making you buy wings of fighters that should be above and beyond those carried by the fleet itself.

Am I totally off on this? It just seems like they're selling you the car and then mentioning after the fact that they charge you extra for tires above the sticker price, you know?

Brett

 

[Triggy]

Flights that come as part of a ship's complement are in addition to the "per wing" part of the fleet. I know you jumped to the conclusion first, but they really aren't trying to con you!

 

[Lord David the Denied]

I still need to know how many fighters are in the Vorlon fleet box...

 

[Shadow Queen]

I still need to know how many fighters are in the Vorlon fleet box...

8 fighter flights

 

[CrookedWookie]

I wasn't trying to jump to any conclusions; just wanted to understand how they put together the fleet boxes, since I hadn't had the opportunity (particularly with the new 2e fleet lists) to sit down and examine the points breakdown of the new fleet boxes.

I thought someone had figured out--maybe this was in the first edition--that not all fleet boxes came with enough fighters to fill the complement that the ships in the fleet could carry onboard. And if that was the case I was going to be annoyed if the 2 wings one came with were coming out of the 5-point cost of the fleet.

If they're giving you enough fighters for your possible complement and then sometimes including additional wings as part of the point cost, that's terrific.

 

[Triggy]

Yeah, it was 1st ed. where you didn't get anywhere near enough fighters for all of the ships, but with the new boxed sets, they are much more carefully constructed as viable fleets, complete with fighters and where possible with a number of ships seen on-screen

 

[Burger]

I don't think any of the boxes includes fighters as part of the 5 Battle points. They all have 5 Battle points worth of capital ships. The included fighters are to be carried, though I haven't looked if there are enough/too many.

 

[Triggy]

I don't think any of the boxes includes fighters as part of the 5 Battle points. They all have 5 Battle points worth of capital ships. The included fighters are to be carried, though I haven't looked if there are enough/too many.

Fighters are counted as separate wings in a few of the boxed sets.

 

[MustEatBrains]

I don't think any of the boxes includes fighters as part of the 5 Battle points. They all have 5 Battle points worth of capital ships. The included fighters are to be carried, though I haven't looked if there are enough/too many.

Fighters are counted as separate wings in a few of the boxed sets.

ISA for example-what else?

 

[Triggy]

Vorlons...

 

[Greg Smith]

Vree.

 

[Greg Smith]

A breakdown of the fighters in each fleet box.

Format: number of fighters carried by the ships, number of flights in the box, number extra or short.

Brakiri: Carried 8, box 12, 4 extra

Centauri: carried 4, box 8, 4 extra

Dilgar: carried 8, box 8, 0 extra

Drakh: carred 0, box 0,

Drazi: carried 2 skyserpent, 4 starsnake; box 8 starsnake; extra 4 starsnake, short 2 skyserpent.

EA Crusade: carried 6 aurora, box 8 Aurora, 8 t/bolt; extra 2 aurora, 8 t/bolt

EA early years: carried 8 Nova, 4 tiger; box 8 tiger; 4 short (considering tigers and novas can be swapped)

EA 3rd Age: carried 22 Aurora; box 8 aurora, 8 t/bolt; 6 short

ISA: carried 4 WSF; box 8WSF, 4 nial, 4 aurora; extra 1 patrol point of fighters [see note 1]

Minbari: carried 4 nial; box 8 nial, 4 flyers; extra 4 nial, 4 flyers.

Narn: carried 14, box 8, short 6

pak'ma'ra: carried 0, box 8, 8 extra

Shadows: carried 6, box 8, extra 2

Vorlon: carried 0, box 4/8, extra 4/8 [see note 2]

Vree: carried 0, box 4, extra 4

Gaim: carried 45, box 8 Klikkita, 8 Klikkitak, short 37 [see note 3]

Psi Corps: carried 8 black omega, 4 t/bolt, 2 shadowfury; box 8 black omega; short 4 t/bolts, 2 shadowfury


Note 1: The fighters make up part of the fleet. So the additional fighters could be 2WSF, 4 aurora, or 2 nials. If you use the White Stars in this box as White Star Iis, the Nials will be part of the ship’s complement, thus leaving you short.

Note 2: depends whether the box has 4 or 8 flights.

Note 3: the Klikkitas can convert into Klikkitaks, so I’ve assumed the Klikkitaks supplied are for this purpose and do not count towards the number.

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I hope that helps.

 

[Burger]

Gaim: carried 45, box 8 Klikkita, 8 Klikkitak, short 37 [see note 3]

LOL! :lol:

 

[LaranosTZ]

Ok, this bodes the question...if you're trying to make a valid and playable gaim fleet, how does that work when you're 37 fighters short?

 

[Na-Po]

A breakdown of the fighters in each fleet box.

Shadows: carried 6, box 8, extra 2

I hope that helps.

With 3 Shadow ships ... only 6 fighters carried ?
I'm surprised ! (But don't have yet the book so ...)

Furthermore correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the boxes were 5 Battle FAP except for vorlons and shadows (5 War FAP)

 

[Dizzy Vree]

37 short !!!!!!!!!!!!!!, time to use single mounted fighters......
Has MGP thought of bulk fighter boxes(16 or so star furies, killikitas), or am i just starting up an old argument.

 

[Greg Smith]

Shadows: carried 6, box 8, extra 2

With 3 Shadow ships ... only 6 fighters carried ?
I'm surprised ! (But don't have yet the book so ...)

Furthermore correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the boxes were 5 Battle FAP except for vorlons and shadows (5 War FAP)

That is correct. 3 young Shadow ships = 3 war. 8 scouts = 8 raid = 2 war.

Young shadow ships carry 2 flights each.

 

[Greg Smith]

Has MGP thought of bulk fighter boxes(16 or so star furies, killikitas), or am i just starting up an old argument.

Well the Poseidon box contains 16 flights of Starfuries, but I concur, a box of Gaim fighters would seem to be useful.

 

[Banichi]

Young shadow ships carry 2 flights each.

WHAT!!! That was just about the only redeaming feature of shadowfighters that you could shoot 6 flights at once and swamp an area of the table in them. One game I shot 3 ship loads, 18 flights, at once behind the narns so they couldn't e-mine them. And they played havoc, destroyed a dag-kar and caused the lighter narn ships to skatter to within slicer beam range. (we play sfos not armegedon) Whats worse is that all my four shadow ships have their fighters represented with minies.(mounted 3 to a triangular stand) Also we couldn't find in sfos were it said you had to buy fighters separate, like in the 1st ed fleetbook, so we have always included them in the ship like any other ship carried flight. Two flights to a ship seems harsh for a fleet that has so little defence agains fighters anyway. :evil: I think I will stick to the sfos shadow list if my friends will let me get away with it!!!!

 

[Greg Smith]

Keep your hair on. The ancient Shadow ship carries 6.