Fighters - Hyperspace query

[Da Boss]

In Ken's defence he tried that - he chased one fighter around the board - the rest spread out - they are very fast - he finally cornered it with his Nial and lost the dogfight........had enough by then (as I would have done)

All in all it was most unfair of me :twisted:

 

[KennyBoy]

And there was me trying to keep your identity secret, to avoid you having to live with the shame of being such a big girly cowardly custer!
All joking aside, what do we all feel should be the rule - half the FAP, half the ships without counting independent fighters, or follow the letter of the, abusable, law (i'm inclined to go for the 1st option myself) 8)

 

[Locutus9956]

Well the problem with the 'half your FAP' is that it really shafts folks wanting to jump a big ship like a sharlin or a warlock in ever really (and frankly theres already enough to discourage folks from 'buying upwards' as it stands with the game stacked generally in favour of swarms over dreadnoughts (which I think is a shame). Personally I dont mind patrol ships and so on being used to make numbers up in this manner but fighters would be a step too far.

 

[Burger]

That is definitely very un-Drazi like! Go back to your fanheads, you're sacked!!!

I'd say best is half the ships not including fighters or huge hangar contents.

 

[Locutus9956]

Basically, as burger says, the rule as I understand it, and have always played it and indeed feel it should be, is half the ships on your fleet list (numerically) excluding fighter wings.

Carried stuff should be considered part of the carrier and not taken into consideration.

 

[Da Boss]

And there was me trying to keep your identity secret, to avoid you having to live with the shame of being such a big girly cowardly custer! 8)

It was about as fair as previous games of:

Blue stars running the blockade
2 pts of EA Patrol trying to ambush a Minbari raid ship (twice)
Ashinta and Blue star vs Chronos x2 and Mrymiddion

all totally one sided games...................and fairly pointless sadly in terms of the game but important (as was my dodgy deployment in the campaign)

helping Tim shred your convoy raiders was however priceless

 

[lastbesthope]

As a rough and ready answer, I'd say one wing of independently bought fighters counted as one ship for the purposes of "Half your ships in hyperspace"

LBH

 

[Burger]

As a rough and ready answer, I'd say one wing of independently bought fighters counted as one ship for the purposes of "Half your ships in hyperspace"

LBH

Thats definitely not consistent with the rules.

 

[skavendan]

As a rough and ready answer, I'd say one wing of independently bought fighters counted as one ship for the purposes of "Half your ships in hyperspace"

LBH

Thats definitely not consistent with the rules.

Because the rules are written so accuratly lol

 

[Locutus9956]

I am not even going to comment, your post is not productive at all. Nore will I reply to other posts by you in this topic..... :twisted:

 

[skavendan]

I am not even going to comment, your post is not productive at all. Nore will I reply to other posts by you in this topic..... :twisted:

GOOD you won't reply then. There really is nothing to discuss here from a playing as written point!

It specifically states they are ships. Yes it is silly they should be fighters period.

This speculation of the interpretation of the rule is not productive as at the end of the day some people will only accept an offical update so P+S needs to do something to clarify it.

Some of these types of things should be put in S+P. A 1 page update per S+P and you could thin out alot of these min-maxing tactics. If that's a practical update solution I have no idea.

 

[Burger]

ROFL!!! :lol:

 

[Locutus9956]

Someone has either a short memory or a serious irony deficiency methinks

But I digress, the rules are vague at times but seriously, show me a wargame with no vague areas in the rulebook. Anyone? Didn't think so. It's the one reason I do at times find Matt's standard 'play the rules as written' asnwer a little irksome, a modacum of common sense does require application in some situations and I would suggest that this is definitely one of them.

The 'keep half your ships in hyerpspace' rule predates the 'fighters are ships' rule and I personally think this implies that fighters were never meant to be considered in this situation.

 

[skavendan]

Someone has either a short memory or a serious irony deficiency methinks

But I digress, the rules are vague at times but seriously, show me a wargame with no vague areas in the rulebook. Anyone? Didn't think so. It's the one reason I do at times find Matt's standard 'play the rules as written' asnwer a little irksome, a modacum of common sense does require application in some situations and I would suggest that this is definitely one of them.

The 'keep half your ships in hyerpspace' rule predates the 'fighters are ships' rule and I personally think this implies that fighters were never meant to be considered in this situation.

Irony is good for the soul and shhhhhhh I didn't say that on this topic what you expect me to ignore someone forever am not a dwarf.

Does sound like one of those slip though the cracks of the rules moment. But way I see it most people want to play as written that way if they go to mongoose for a game there using the rules they would. So then they start argue that what is written is how it should be even in some instances it sounds really dumb.

Most games have the odd problem no one can deny that. But when people chose to be pedantic and try to quote the rules at you to try and gain some tactical advantage your forced into trying to beat some common sense into them. And this is the annoying part when you get people together for a game and they end up arguing and shouting at each other about rule interpretation rather than playing the game.

So at the end of the day an offical responce is required in my opinion. Even if it's just a post you can print the topic and go there stop arguing and get on with the game. And S+P is the perfect way to distribute it.

 

[lastbesthope]

As a rough and ready answer, I'd say one wing of independently bought fighters counted as one ship for the purposes of "Half your ships in hyperspace"

LBH

Thats definitely not consistent with the rules.

Well I did say rough and ready. Also I vaguely recall Matthew ruling something along those lines at a recent Mongoose tourney, the ACTA doubles tourney as I recall.

LBH