Farewell!

[Yogah of Yag]

I've NEVER hated Conan RPG!!! :shock:
I've just grown weary of the d20 headache.
I've mentioned before and on other fora that 'Goose have to release a "Basic" version of the system to lure new blood to the game. I'd love to write it, but they weren't interested. If a new Conan movie is to come out eventually, the license-holders will have to think about a strategy to invite more consumers into the game. :wink: Also, some people may tire of Age of Conan, of D&D 4E, etc. and hanker for a change to an RPG for the first time and getting into the full d20 product is very daunting.

 

[Style]

I've mentioned before and on other fora that 'Goose have to release a "Basic" version of the system to lure new blood to the game.

A C&C Conan would be great for this.

 

[Finarvyn]

A C&C Conan would be great for this.

Amen! I feel the same way and I would buy it in a heartbeat!

This may be a really dumb statement, but has Mongoose done any real research into the likes and dislikes of its fan base? I ask this because of the kinds of comments I've seen in this thread (and others) where folks seem to comment a lot about loving the Conan setting but disliking d20.

I find myself in the same situation.

Now, maybe the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus as to what is the best solution (C&C or RuneQuest or whatever) and maybe Mongoose is afraid to fragment their existing market, but I think it would be interesting to see a poll question to get some feedback on the issue.

I mean, since 3E is OOP now anyway maybe it's the right time to consider other options for the future of the Conan franchise.

Just my two cents.

 

[Strom]

This may be a really dumb statement, but has Mongoose done any real research into the likes and dislikes of its fan base? I ask this because of the kinds of comments I've seen in this thread (and others) where folks seem to comment a lot about loving the Conan setting but disliking d20.

I find myself in the same situation.

Now, maybe the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus as to what is the best solution (C&C or RuneQuest or whatever) and maybe Mongoose is afraid to fragment their existing market, but I think it would be interesting to see a poll question to get some feedback on the issue.

I mean, since 3E is OOP now anyway maybe it's the right time to consider other options for the future of the Conan franchise.

Just my two cents.

There is currently 1 poll already done asking what system members use to play the Conan RPG and it's decidedly a blowout for the rules as written by Mongoose:

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33142

The minority is just very vocal about their displeasure with the system. The "Goose has the license for quite awhile still so I think at some point we may see a new Conan system aligned with Runequest or 4e or something.

 

[rabindranath72]

The poll may not be significant at all, since many who could have bought the Conan game stopped from buying it at all due to it being d20 (and I know at least a handful of people who did exactly this). So, the results of the poll are likely to be statistically biased.

 

[rabindranath72]

A C&C Conan would be great for this.

Amen! I feel the same way and I would buy it in a heartbeat!

This may be a really dumb statement, but has Mongoose done any real research into the likes and dislikes of its fan base? I ask this because of the kinds of comments I've seen in this thread (and others) where folks seem to comment a lot about loving the Conan setting but disliking d20.

I find myself in the same situation.

Now, maybe the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus as to what is the best solution (C&C or RuneQuest or whatever) and maybe Mongoose is afraid to fragment their existing market, but I think it would be interesting to see a poll question to get some feedback on the issue.

I mean, since 3E is OOP now anyway maybe it's the right time to consider other options for the future of the Conan franchise.

Just my two cents.

Actually, I talked once with Steve Chenault on the TLG boards when I posted one of my conversions, and he said he would have been interested in a C&C version of Conan (he loves Conan himself), and said he could have contacted Mongoose since he knew someone there (IIRC he said Mr. Sprange). But I suppose nothing came of it.

 

[Strom]

The poll may not be significant at all, since many who could have bought the Conan game stopped from buying it at all due to it being d20 (and I know at least a handful of people who did exactly this). So, the results of the poll are likely to be statistically biased.

Nobody mentioned the word "significant" other than you. And the question is what system do you use to play the game - has nothing to do with why didn't you buy the game or if you had brought the game on a Thursday during the equinox and the moon was a half blood moon in the lower quadrant of sector 23-B-09A2BRQ AND you have a cousin named Ralph who scored you some chicks one summer day.

The poll is what it is - most people play the game as written. Shock! Most people buy the supps to use as part of a D20 Conan game. Shock! :lol:

 

[rabindranath72]

The poll may not be significant at all, since many who could have bought the Conan game stopped from buying it at all due to it being d20 (and I know at least a handful of people who did exactly this). So, the results of the poll are likely to be statistically biased.

Nobody mentioned the word "significant" other than you. And the question is what system do you use to play the game - has nothing to do with why didn't you buy the game or if you had brought the game on a Thursday during the equinox and the moon was a half blood moon in the lower quadrant of sector 23-B-09A2BRQ AND you have a cousin named Ralph who scored you some chicks one summer day.

The poll is what it is - most people play the game as written. Shock! Most people buy the supps to use as part of a D20 Conan game. Shock! :lol:

/statistician hat on
The population that answered is composed mostly by people who like d20 (since we are on a board dedicated to a d20 game). So, what is the poll telling you other than this? Certainly NOT that d20 is the preferred system for playing Conan. THAT is a different question.
Try going to a system-neutral board, put a poll like: what system would you like to play Conan, and watch the results.
/statistician hat off

So, yes, statistically speaking the poll is irrelevant since it takes samples from a population that is not uniform. You might also say that the poll is useless. Your choice

 

[Strom]

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/statistician hat on
The population that answered is composed mostly by people who like d20 (since we are on a board dedicated to a d20 game). So, what is the poll telling you other than this? Certainly NOT that d20 is the preferred system for playing Conan. THAT is a different question.
Try going to a system-neutral board, put a poll like: what system would you like to play Conan, and watch the results.
/statistician hat off

So, yes, statistically speaking the poll is irrelevant since it takes samples from a population that is not uniform. You might also say that the poll is useless. Your choice

Where have ya been rabindranath72? This forum is dominated with d20 hating players/GMs. I just pointed out that a poll has been done - like any poll the info is what it is - if you don't like the results, that is irrelevant. And I would not say the Mongoose forums are especially D20 lovers - Runequest is way more popular on these forums than D20.

 

[rabindranath72]

Where have ya been rabindranath72? This forum is dominated with d20 hating players/GMs. I just pointed out that a poll has been done - like any poll the info is what it is - if you don't like the results, that is irrelevant. And I would not say the Mongoose forums are especially D20 lovers - Runequest is way more popular on these forums than D20.

:lol:
And I just pointed out that the poll does not tell anything except the obvious, that is that most people play d20 Conan since the published books are for d20 Conan.
The poll has been taken in a forum dedicated to D20 CONAN. How many people playing an host of other games would you expect to find? Hard to say, but there is a potential bias due to the place where the poll has been taken. How many lambs would you expect to find in a lair of wolves?
That's all, theory of experimental design 1-o-1
I do not care a iota about the results. I know that I do not like d20, and like me many others. Like many others like it. But there are different ways to assess what "would be the preferred system for playing Conan"; this is a different question from "what are you using to play Conan". One thing is to have a book in print, another is do-it-yourself.

 

[warzen]

One could say that having only 75% of the people using the system included in the book is probably the worse percentage ever.

Try a poll like "are you using your DD4 books with another system ?" and you will see that nobody is using the book with a different system.

W.

 

[rabindranath72]

I guess we are saying the same thing in different ways: lots of people (here) uses the d20 Conan system. And if they like it, they are the absolute winners! Although as warzen says, 75% is not a very high percentage (though it would have been quite safe to assume that the majority uses it.)

 

[Supplement Four]

I depise d20, for all the reasons everyone has been stating. It's complicated. There are easier and better ways to run a game.

For this reason, I've missed the whole d20 bubble where every game has been converted to d20. I've never played a single one of them, always sticking to my non-d20 games that I love.

The only d20 I've played in the last 15 years is AD&D 2E.

But, I'm also a Conan lover. And, I knew Conan was based on D&D 3.5. So, that wasn't a shock coming into it.

And, after reading it, with the changes they've made...

...yes, I'm a fan.

I think it fits. I like the way Conan and 3.5 have been merged (and I think the choices Mongoose made to change 3.5 are brilliant).

Now, does that mean I don't think Conan could succeed using another game system? Heck no! The D6 system (think D6 Star Wars) would work perfectly for Conan. And, I bet a new system designed specificaly for Conan would work too.

But, I must say, I do like the d20 version that is Conan. I'm looking forward to kicking off our campaign. And, I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

I guess I'm a bit of a convert (although I still don't plan on embracing d20 in other forms...I'll just stick with Conan.).

 

[Style]

/statistician hat on
The population that answered is composed mostly by people who like d20 (since we are on a board dedicated to a d20 game). So, what is the poll telling you other than this? Certainly NOT that d20 is the preferred system for playing Conan. THAT is a different question.
Try going to a system-neutral board, put a poll like: what system would you like to play Conan, and watch the results.
/statistician hat off

So, yes, statistically speaking the poll is irrelevant since it takes samples from a population that is not uniform. You might also say that the poll is useless. Your choice

The poll is useless. Shock!

 

[Strom]

One could say that having only 75% of the people using the system included in the book is probably the worse percentage ever.

Try a poll like "are you using your DD4 books with another system ?" and you will see that nobody is using the book with a different system.

W.

When Conan launched in '04 I'm sure the number would be comparable to your DD4 number. Regardless, the number of people who play the Conan RPG with a system other than the D20 are a minority - vocal sure - but still a minority. Is that in doubt? Can that be debated? Doesn't matter to me, but it is what it is. Most fans seem to like the game as written.

 

[flatscan]

Doesn't matter to me, but it is what it is. Most fans seem to like the game as written.

My gaming group sure does!

 

[Hervé]

The problem with the D20 system is far from being limited to the Conan forums. In my shop there are also heated debates between D20 lovers/haters. In thirty years of gaming (and twenty working in the gaming industry) I have never seen that. It's also the same on many RPG forums.
Even Wizards of the Coast choose to drop the system after less than 8 years of use. The old D&D system held for more than twenty years, even though it has erratic mechanics. Many of the systems created then are still around.
D20 is gonna die slowly. It won't be missed...

 

[cbrunish]

Must say that Mongoose did an excellent job on Conan RPG. I actually enjoyed the first Conan game (from TSR) but thought that it needed to much work to be an effective game.

Mongoose really merged their version of Conan into an excellent game. The characters and races are really fleshed out and the combat system works well. Even the magic system has the feel of REH Conan books.

But I also like the 3.5e of D&D. I felt that the character generation was far superior than before. You could now create a character that could be similar to your favorite novel character (ex. a Gandalf with a sword).

 

[KJohnston]

As a quick aside, I've noticed Savage Worlds being recommended as a Conan d20 substitute.

I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer some thoughts, opinions, and reviews on the system itself as well as how it can emulate Conan?

 

[B_Steele]

I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer some thoughts, opinions, and reviews on the system itself

I might be seen as biased, but I really do not like the Savage Worlds system. I've used it with Deadlands and a home-brew D&Desque game, and I found it...I don't know...lacking.

But, that is just my opinion. I suggest picking up a copy and taking a look, it is the only way to be sure.

Well...that and nuking the planet from orbit...but I digress.

-Bry