Ethnic diversity

[nezeray]

Remember the Old Tradition, the funny black man dies first.

I thought it was the guy in the Red Shirt always dies first. After yelling, "Captain, I think I've found something...AAAUURRGGGHH!"

Nezeray

 

[Hiromoon]

We're talking horror and comedic romances.

 

[Locutus9956]

Well it could be worse, you could be the token black man in a red shirt who starts taking about what hes going to do after the war, go home marry his gal etc.....

Thats as good as a death sentence :shock:

Star Trek TOS did have some superb redshirt deaths though

My two favourites are the guy who gets randomly shot by a flower and the engineer whos just walking through engineering on board the enterprise not even in a battle or anything and just gets randomly vapourised :lol:

 

[Lord David the Denied]

In the latest films the funny black guy is one of the few who make it out alive. Can't be seen to off the black chappie, can you? That'd be racist.

 

[Col_stone]

The funny sidekick, coloured or not, has always had a knack for survivng,, it's the one that won't be able deliver a funny line at the end that gets it halfway through the movie..

e.g The limodriver in Die Hard 1,
funny sidekick that would have been killed off halway through the film if he hadn't been the funny guy..

/Col.Stone.. who knew his 3 years of proper "movie-education" wasn't wasted

 

[emperorpenguin]

In the latest films the funny black guy is one of the few who make it out alive. Can't be seen to off the black chappie, can you? That'd be racist.

Like LL Cool J in Deep Blue Sea who says "Brothers never survive this s***!" and lives to the end

 

[Hiromoon]

He was later killed by the returning guards on the boat while resisting arrest. He would have been charged with the destruction of the research facility...

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Like LL Cool J in Deep Blue Sea who says "Brothers never survive this s***!" and lives to the end

Or the black gent in Species 2 who says "Brother can't get no booty!"

Actually, the totally different black gent in Species makes it to the end, despite being slightly comical throughout. He's also the only black chap in the film, like his counterpart in the sequel.

 

[Hiromoon]

Well, as you said before...can't appear to be Racist now, can we?

Seriously though, the common joke has always been 'the black guy gets it first'... even comics of that community have stated the same...

 

[lastbesthope]

Actually, the totally different black gent in Species makes it to the end, despite being slightly comical throughout. He's also the only black chap in the film, like his counterpart in the sequel.

Played by Forest Whitaker IIRC, his character died pretty early in The Crying Game.

LBH

 

[Bewildered Badger]

Blimey, I didn't expect this level of debate! Still, dissent is good...I think

it does make a diference though after all both the British army now and the USMC have a significant proportion of people from a variaty of minoraties

No. . . really it doesnt. Has no effect on gameplay. The game is NOT intended as a "simulation" or recruiting tool. Its just a game with playing pieces! Could be using red plastic pawns for all that it matters. The appearance of the models is purely a asthetic thing. If you prefer more diversity, create it! Don't try to force everyone else to pay more because that's an issue that's important to you. Just take care of it yourself!

O.K. Soulmage, am I to take it that you plan to buy the rule book only, and none of the models? Do you intend to play with figures from other games and old toy tanks? Rhetorical question.
Mongoose have spent a lot of time, effort and money developing these mini's, striving for as much accuracy as is possible with this technology. So obviously MGP consider the appearance of the models to be fairly important.
You say the appearance is "...purely a asthetic thing" Agreed, but to some people aesthetics are important. If a figure was obviously incorrect, the wrong type of rifle for a British soldier, incorrect hatch placing on a tank, or some other such detail, perhaps most people might not care. But some do.
Go back to my original post. I ask, not demand, if it is possible, given financial and practical considerations, to show a bit more diversity. If the answer is 'no' I can accept that. I'm not a brilliant figure painter but I can certainly change a couple if I want to.If the answer is 'Yes, but not yet', then that's better. I am certainly NOT trying '...to force everyone else to pay more because that's an issue that's important to you. "

 

[Hiromoon]

Technically he could play it with plastic soldiers.

 

[nezeray]

Technically he could play it with plastic soldiers.

Hey Hiromoon,

Have you started on the Green Plastic Army Men cards yet? Don't forget they had tan ones too. And I used to have some blue/grey ones that came with a set that had Japanese soldiers.

*Just poking the cardmaster!*

Nezeray

 

[Hiromoon]

Actually that'd be pretty neat, wouldn't it?

 

[Paladin]

Technically he could play it with plastic soldiers.

Have you started on the Green Plastic Army Men cards yet? Don't forget they had tan ones too. And I used to have some blue/grey ones that came with a set that had Japanese soldiers.

I actually considered raiding my kids room to play a proxy game with the cards we have so far.

 

[Soulmage]

You say the appearance is "...purely a asthetic thing" Agreed, but to some people aesthetics are important. If a figure was obviously incorrect, the wrong type of rifle for a British soldier, incorrect hatch placing on a tank, or some other such detail, perhaps most people might not care. But some do.
Go back to my original post. I ask, not demand, if it is possible, given financial and practical considerations, to show a bit more diversity. If the answer is 'no' I can accept that.

As a reasonbly intelligent sounding person, you shouldn't have even had to ask this question.

More model diversity = more cost
More cost = less profit for Mongoose, or more expense for the customers

That's just the way it works. So if you are in fact concerned about the financial considerations, you shouldn't have had to ask this question. . . or perhaps didn't pause to think about it before simply posting.

In either case, creating the diversity you're talking about involves money coming out of somebody else's pockets.

And I come back to. . . its easy to apply a dark wash to a figure's face. If that asthetic issue is important to you, do it yourself with your own time and money, rather than "asking" others to pay for something they don't care about.

You can paint your soldiers to be black, yellow, red, green, or purple for all I care. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

 

[Bewildered Badger]

If that asthetic issue is important to you, do it yourself with your own time and money, rather than "asking" others to pay for something they don't care about.

Sorry Soulmage, obviously I did not make myself clear. I was not asking for anyone to pay extra for anything. I was not asking for anything to be done at all. What I was asking for was information.
I do count myself as a reasonably intelligent person (and thank you for that observation), but know little of the nature of the manufacturing process behind these figures. I can speculate as to the process, but that is not the same as knowing. Hence I do not know if it is possible, without a signicant increase in cost, if it is possible to achieve more diversity.

And if that sounds unreasonable, bear in mind that Mongoose already had the facilities needed to manufacture BFEVO figures using conventional methods, unpainted and unassembled. Someone at Mongoose Towers decided pre-painted, pre-assembled figures were better. There is already an increased cost from this decision (compare a squad of BF soldiers with SST Troopers). It is not, however, an unreasonable one, which is why I'll be happy to buy some, and customise to my personnel taste, with my own time and money.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Ok, whilst we're on this subject:

Looking at the pictures of the current releases I see that miniatures with the same pose are given a different paint job to add more variety.
Now, if it is possible to say, have brown trousers or camo' trousers using the current process, why is it not possible to add different skin tones?

Is it something to do with the plastic being given the skin colour durring the manufacturing process?
Just wondering about the process and why people are saying adding more variation is impossible for the skin but not for the clothing really.

 

[Paladin]

If that asthetic issue is important to you, do it yourself with your own time and money, rather than "asking" others to pay for something they don't care about.

Sorry Soulmage, obviously I did not make myself clear. I was not asking for anyone to pay extra for anything. I was not asking for anything to be done at all. What I was asking for was information.
I do count myself as a reasonably intelligent person (and thank you for that observation), but know little of the nature of the manufacturing process behind these figures. I can speculate as to the process, but that is not the same as knowing. Hence I do not know if it is possible, without a signicant increase in cost, if it is possible to achieve more diversity.

It was a totally reasonable question. And MaxSteiner hit my point perfectly. The MEA have roughly 10-12 different colors on the minis (not counting any layers/details). The British look to have about 6 colors. Surely 1-2 additional skin tones aren't an unreasonable request.

 

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