ELB

[Jak Nazryth]

Can anyone find the cost/size for an emergency low birth in the Mongoose Books?
What about "portable' low births? Or is ELB's already portable?
I'm looking for a LB system where people can simply ship in passengers already in deep freeze and simply stack them like cargo, then haul them out to a local "recovery" station where they are revived in a starport facility in stead of on the ship itself.

 

[rust]

Can anyone find the cost/size for an emergency low birth in the Mongoose Books?

Core rules, starship design chapter, at the end of the paragraph descri-
bing low berths.

With a volume of 1 dton / 13.5 cubic meters an emergency low berth is
hardly portable, even an emergency low berth for 1 person would have
about 13.5 : 4 = 3+ cubic meters, still too big to be portable.

However, if you have a cargo robot at hand ...

 

[Jeraa]

Central Supply Catalog has the cryoberth on page 167. It is usually hooked up to a vehicle, but has its own personal internal power supply that lets it function for up to a week by itself. At 200 kg (440 pounds), its not the lightest thing around, but still somewhat portable.

 

[BP]

Pg 110, specifically.

100,000 Cr; 1 ton; 4 people-sicles.

(Love PDFs!)

 

[BP]

Central Supply Catalog has the cryoberth on page 167. It is usually hooked up to a vehicle, but has its own personal internal power supply that lets it function for up to a week by itself. At 200 kg, its not the lightest thing around, but still somewhat portable.

Core has same on pg 92. 50,000 Cr. No volume - 'Wt. 200 kg' (hate it when they use 'weight' - it's a frigg'n space game for cry'n out loud!)

Described as being faster - 'freezing .. almost instantly'. (geez - what amazing sciFi!). Low berths must 'freeze' slowly - suppose, er, extremities get 'frozed' first.

Its TL 10 if that makes a difference. (Low berths must be limited only to starship tech?)

 

[SSWarlock]

Described as being faster - 'freezing .. almost instantly'. (geez - what amazing sciFi!). Low berths must 'freeze' slowly - suppose, er, extremities get 'frozed' first.

To quote from a post regarding cold berths by David Jaques-Watson (a.k.a. "Hyphen") to the Traveller Mailing List 'way back in '95:

An entire article is devoted to the subject in The Traveller's Digest, #21. The article covers:
- active hibernation (via chill berth);
- passive hibernation (via fast drug);
- freezing (cold berth)
- use of low berths (including the low lottery, emergency low berths, the frozen watch, medical cold berths, and livestock cold berths);
- low berths and space transportation;
- suspended animation and society (including "Timer Clubs").

The article is still quite relevant even with Mongoose's details on cold berths; copies of The Traveller Digest are well worth trying to find on eBay and other online sources. IMO, of course.

 

[Rick]

It's an excellent article - it's also got some additional equipment and rules for LB's. It seems to cover all types of them and even has rules for Jak Nazryth's idea!

 

[BP]

Cool! 8)

Don't see Traveller's Digest included on any of the FFE CDs - wonder if this stuff is included in any MegaTraveller books?

 

[rust]

Don't see Traveller's Digest included on any of the FFE CDs ...

As far as I know, the copyright of all Digest Group publications is held by
a certain Mr. Sanger, who is not exactly on friendly terms with FFE, so I
would be rather surprised if the Traveller's Digest would be found on an
FFE CD.

 

[BP]

Ah - Thanks!

Seem to recall rumblings about this ... so won't be holding my breath then!

Oh. Ouch. Just did a search ... found a copy of one issue of Travellers' Digest on Amazon -> ~$34 on up... :shock:

Hmmm... does this include the World Builders Handbook? (can't tell from the low res FFE pdf for MegaTraveller CD - perhaps that is why it is low-res...)

 

[rust]

Hmmm... does this include the World Builders Handbook?

I would think so, but I am not sure about this one.

 

[Jak Nazryth]

Can anyone find the cost/size for an emergency low birth in the Mongoose Books?

Core rules, star ship design chapter, at the end of the paragraph descri-
bing low berths.

With a volume of 1 dton / 13.5 cubic meters an emergency low berth is
hardly portable, even an emergency low berth for 1 person would have
about 13.5 : 4 = 3+ cubic meters, still too big to be portable.

However, if you have a cargo robot at hand ...

Ah.. I was looking for a paragraph titled "Emergency Low Birth" as was done in previous rule books... I simply didn't read the entire Low Birth paragraph...
And I suppose a ELB is so freaking large (all you need to do is fit one person in a giant box....) is because it has it's own power supply? And your right, it seems like it should be it's own built-in room rather than a portable piece of medical equipment.
Normal low births are similar to the bank of sleeper cubes at the very beginning of the movie Avatar (without the huge 1000 meter long room all the troops float in). I'm trying to get a good visual description for my player for my next game session. Normal low births might also be described as being similar to a morgue, with "drawers" that slide out of the wall, holding each passenger. Since 1 ton holds 2 people, I guess they are stacked like bunk beds.... A small ladder is used for the upper passenger to climb into his "bunk" where it slides into the wall beginning the freezing process. I'm trying to be as descriptive as I can because of the type of encounter. Other than a few illustrations in the GURP's books, I don't think I've seen a low birth suite or ELB drawn or described. Does anyone have any other helpful source material that I can show my players?
I read more about it when I get back home from the office.

 

[DFW]

And I suppose a ELB is so freaking large (all you need to do is fit one person in a giant box....) is because it has it's own power supply?

No, they are so large because it holds 4 people.

 

[Jak Nazryth]

And I suppose a ELB is so freaking large (all you need to do is fit one person in a giant box....) is because it has it's own power supply?

No, they are so large because it holds 4 people.

That makes more better sense.
So is it a "room" or a movable piece of hardware?
I suppose you can have individual portable ELB's as .25 ton (think of the scene from Firefly when River wakes up from hibernation)

 

[Jak Nazryth]

And I suppose a ELB is so freaking large (all you need to do is fit one person in a giant box....) is because it has it's own power supply?

No, they are so large because it holds 4 people.

sorry if I ask dumb questions that might be in black and white (like I said I'll check when I get home) but is there something specifically written in the mongoose rules that state how long somebody can survive in an ELB within an old space hulk?

 

[BFalcon]

Jak: Someone's writing a scenario instead of doing school/job work, aren't they?

(Been there before, many, many years ago... trying to remember stats or rules so the teachers wouldn't notice any rulebooks...)

 

[DFW]

That makes more better sense.
So is it a "room" or a movable piece of hardware?
I suppose you can have individual portable ELB's as .25 ton (think of the scene from Firefly when River wakes up from hibernation)

No idea of Firefly, never saw it.

Think of an ELB like any other major ship system. The item, fittings, and space to access takes up 14 cubic meters. It probably takes up ~10 cubic meters. The other 4 being access space. No need for a separate room. They take quite a bit of power. You can probably move them with some difficulty.

In my games I view them as having to primary uses:

1: Ship misjumps and crew needs to wait for rescue.
2: Serious illness when not near adequate med facility.

This requires that a built-in power supply (normal op is ships power) exist that can last for at least ~10 years. Ergo, the ELB can keep people in stasis for at least a decade.

 

[Jak Nazryth]

That makes more better sense.
So is it a "room" or a movable piece of hardware?
I suppose you can have individual portable ELB's as .25 ton (think of the scene from Firefly when River wakes up from hibernation)

No idea of Firefly, never saw it.

Think of an ELB like any other major ship system. The item, fittings, and space to access takes up 14 cubic meters. It probably takes up ~10 cubic meters. The other 4 being access space. No need for a separate room. They take quite a bit of power. You can probably move them with some difficulty.

In my games I view them as having to primary uses:

1: Ship misjumps and crew needs to wait for rescue.
2: Serious illness when not near adequate med facility.

This requires that a built-in power supply (normal op is ships power) exist that can last for at least ~10 years. Ergo, the ELB can keep people in stasis for at least a decade.

SACRILEGE!
:shock:

Quick, somebody send DFW a set of the Firefly DVD's! :lol:

Firefly IS Traveller! (without Jump Drives)

You would love the Firefly series, and the movie Serenity.

Anyway I'll "message" the rules to create a portable, single-person portable or ELB... any ideas of size and cost are welcome.

 

[Rick]

Firefly aside, lol, I think I may have found what you are looking for:

Have a look at the cryoberth on page 167/8 of the Central Supply Catalogue - now it's designed for emergency situations, so a fast freeze and a slow, careful thawing out period. However, most low berths and frozen watches use the opposite system; a slow, careful freeze - so that a quick thaw can be done. I would imagine that all you'd need to do is reprogram the cryoberth (with medical expertise as well, lol!) to do what you require.

If you can get hold of the Digest 21, do so - there are lots of ideas in it! A friend of mine gave me an entire disk of classic Traveller stuff, all in pdf format, 18 of the 21 Digests among them, so I would imagine you could find them available somewhere for download.

Good Hunting!

 

[DFW]

Quick, somebody send DFW a set of the Firefly DVD's! :lol:

Firefly IS Traveller! (without Jump Drives)

Thanks but, I'm aware of the thrust of the series. Not even close to Trav. :shock:

But, I hope that gave you an idea of what an ELB is.