E-Mines vs Fighters

[KennyBoy]

As the rules state that a fighter that has taken part in a dogfight may not be fired upon, does this prohibit a Narn/Gaim player from firing an E-Mine at an area that will encompass the aforementioned fighter, or does it not count as the E-mine hasn't been specifically targeted at the craft?
I would hope its the former, otherwise my only idea to keep my fighters alive against the Gaim is literally blown out the water (space)! 8)

 

[Burger]

Unfortunately the latter, the e-mine is not targetting the fighter, so it can be fired and potentially destroy it. With careful arrangement though, you may be able to make him blow his own fighters up, as well

 

[KennyBoy]

F*#!ing Gaim!!! :evil: :x :!:

 

[armbarred]

It's not just the Gaim on this one. And really, I think it hurts the Gaim even more, as to take out yours they risk theirs also. It's a more beneficial things for the Narn and Pak'Ma'Ra... who really don't get to win much with their fighters.

 

[SylvrDragon]

F*#!ing Gaim!!! :evil: :x :!:

armbarred has this one right. The Gaim are far more hurt by this ruling than you could ever hope to be. All of their real damage is dealt by auxiliary craft.

 

[Da Boss]

the Minbari have very expensive but very good fighters - killing them is always good!

Gaim can do plenty of damage with their emines - esepcially against hull 4 and 5 Minbari ships........slam 40-50 AD emines a turn on a Minbari ship and watch it burn.

not that I am against Minbari ships being blasted but hey............. .

 

[KennyBoy]

And even if the Gaim player loses 2 or 3 of his fighters to my one Nial, he's got frakking loads of em' and I don't!

 

[JTL109]

Unfortunately the latter, the e-mine is not targetting the fighter, so it can be fired and potentially destroy it. With careful arrangement though, you may be able to make him blow his own fighters up, as well

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Please read the following:

A ship hit by an Energy Mine has certainly been attacked by the ship that fired it. Think of is as the explosion silhouetting the target, lighting it up like a Christmas tree.

As for the other question, under normal circumstances to get the 'attacked' bonus against Stealth, a ship first needs to see the target ship, then roll dice against it, i.e, make an attack. Whether it causes damage or not is immaterial.

This, incidentally, is why energy mines grant the bonus - you are rolling dice against said ship, thus attacking it. The energy mine trait specifically says you skip the Steath rolling stage.

It's all there
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Matthew Sprange

Mongoose Publishing
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So the E-mine may not target the fighters, under any cirmstances.
This is consistent with the rule that states that a player may never
fire on his own ships.

 

[Burger]

Unfortunately the latter, the e-mine is not targetting the fighter, so it can be fired and potentially destroy it. With careful arrangement though, you may be able to make him blow his own fighters up, as well

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Please read the following:

A ship hit by an Energy Mine has certainly been attacked by the ship that fired it. Think of is as the explosion silhouetting the target, lighting it up like a Christmas tree.

As for the other question, under normal circumstances to get the 'attacked' bonus against Stealth, a ship first needs to see the target ship, then roll dice against it, i.e, make an attack. Whether it causes damage or not is immaterial.

This, incidentally, is why energy mines grant the bonus - you are rolling dice against said ship, thus attacking it. The energy mine trait specifically says you skip the Steath rolling stage.

It's all there
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Matthew Sprange

Mongoose Publishing
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So the E-mine may not target the fighters, under any cirmstances.
This is consistent with the rule that states that a player may never
fire on his own ships.

Note the difference in highlighted words.

An e-mine may not TARGET a fighter in a dogfight. As in, the centre piont cannot be on top of a fighter in a dogfight. However it can ATTACK a fighter ina dogfight by detonating on a point in space nearby. As Matt says, it's all there

 

[B_Steele]

Burger is quite right. The e-mine, like a ship exploding nearby, attacks everyone in the area...it does not target them.

E-mines can absolutely hit targets in a dogfight.

-Bry

 

[katadder]

in fact thats what I did at last tourney after matt ruled i could

 

[Shadow Queen]

taking your own ships out as well

 

[katadder]

no, i had lost the dogfights by then tying up gaim suicide drones with breaching pods.
however normally you cannot fire on a fighter that has been in a dogfight either, this way i targeted the ship they were all around and got the fighters too.

 

[Shadow Queen]

ah

 

[Da Boss]

I assume that a Klikkitak moving into contact with a fighter does not immediately detonate even though it has technically moved into contact with a ship! :shock:

 

[katadder]

well in theory as fighters count as ships I guess you have a point there daboss

 

[armbarred]

That's a good question though. Does the fighter flight count as a ship for the purposes of suicide fighters?

 

[Da Boss]

well in theory as fighters count as ships I guess you have a point there daboss

It happens ocassionally - I shall reward myself with a cream egg - lovely

 

[B_Steele]

Does the fighter flight count as a ship for the purposes of suicide fighters?

Suicide fighters all have a dogfight score, so I would say that the enemy fighter would get to dogfight it before the missile can attack.

-Bry

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Pity. Yet another bonus for the Gaim, as if they weren't complained about enough already...