complete REH-inspired timeline

Rippke:

You forgot to mention "Spear and Fang". Who was the Cro-Magnons of that tale? I've first supposed they were Atlanteans ("The Hyborian Age" and "Men of the Shadows"), but, as far as I know, Atlanteans seemed to be "dark hair and blue or grey eyes", like Kull of Atlantis, the Cimmerians and their Gaelics descendant (Turlogh O'Brien and Terence Vulmea, among others). And, in that Howard's tale, A-aea is black-eyed, while Ganor is yellow-haired... :?

So, in what age could be placed "Spear and Fang"?
 
Fernando said:
Rippke:

You forgot to mention "Spear and Fang". Who was the Cro-Magnons of that tale? I've first supposed they were Atlanteans ("The Hyborian Age" and "Men of the Shadows"), but, as far as I know, Atlanteans seemed to be "dark hair and blue or grey eyes", like Kull of Atlantis, the Cimmerians and their Gaelics descendant (Turlogh O'Brien and Terence Vulmea, among others). And, in that Howard's tale, A-aea is black-eyed, while Ganor is yellow-haired... :?

So, in what age could be placed "Spear and Fang"?
Well, if MEN OF THE SHADOWS is to be believed, during the last ice age the Nameless Tribe (Picts) forced the Neanderthals over to Europe, and sometime later, drove the Cro-Magnons off of their Atlantean island homeland, and they relocated to Europe as well. The Cro-Magnon destroyed the Neanderthals in ice age Europe, so the most reasonable view would place the story after the Conan stories, and probably after THE VALLEY OF THE WORM as well. Since the Cro-magnon aren't proto-Cimmerians in the Bran story, I don't see why they couldn't be blonde.

Fernando said:
But... before the "more to follow" you announced in your draft's end, remember a passage of "The Gods of Bal-Sagoth", where REH said the following:

"Turlogh and Athelstane leaned on the rail, gazing back at the swiftly receding Island of the Gods, from which rose a pillar of smoke, laden with the ghosts of a thousand centuries"

I know you don't believe Negari was founded in Thurian Age - though I do -, but the passage above can mean that Atlanteans founded a colony in some remnants islands at east - maybe shortly after the Great Cataclism...
I have several very good reasons why I don't think the continent of Atlantis and the island kingdom of Atlantis refer to the same place.

The Atlantis of "Kings of the Night" is the small continent of the Kull and Conan tales, as well as the version in "Marchers of Valhalla". The continental version of Atlantis existed prior to the Hyborian Age.

The Atlantis of "Men of the Shadows" is an island group near the coast of South America that the Nameless Tribe (the Picts) invaded and inhabited for quite a while prior to a civil war that split the Tribe in two, driving the losing segment over to North Africa and thence up into Europe. These islands of Atlantis are the same version that appears in the Solomon Kane stories (most notably "The Moon of Skulls"), the novelette "Skull-face", as well as the un-named ancient island empire mentioned in "The Gods of Bal-Sagoth". The island version existed during the ice-age that followed the close of the Hyborian Age.

They are not the same place since they aren't located in the same place. The continental Atlantis is located in the North Atlantic between the Pictish Isles (North America) and the Seven Empires (Europe). The island version is located closer to the equator, between South America and Africa, according to "Skull-Face".

The continental Atlantean has white skin, dark hair and grey eyes. The island Atlanteans are brown-skinned, with black hair and dark eyes. They are not the same people.

The Atlantean colony of Negari could not exist during the Hyborian Age, since West Africa was underneath the Western Sea at that period of history, according to Howard's "Hyborian Age" essay. That location couldn't have been colonized until West Africa was raised above sea level, which Howard states happened during the Ice Age following the close of the Hyborian Age. The Atlantis of Negari cannot possibly be the Atlantis of the Kull stories. It has to come from the Ice Age island empire.
 
Well, here's the next part of this history...
The Great Cataclysm

-c. 99,000 B.C.: The actual triggering mechanism behind the event regarded as the Great Cataclysm is unknown. Howard describes all manners of calamities and types of destruction in his various stories. The world-wide picture is one of tremendous seismic activity. In some areas continental landmasses, in whole and in part, are inundated and sink beneath sea level. In other regions the sea-floor is uplifted to become entirely new continents, with island chains transforming into mountain ranges. The planet’s axial tilt seems to have become almost non-existent; the post-cataclysmic world is much warmer at high latitudes. The changes to our planet are quite drastic.

The Thurian continent is devastated; large parts of the continent, including huge chunks of Valusia, disappear beneath the waves. The continent is completely transformed; thick jungles cover the plains, towering mountain ranges form, new rivers cut their way seaward and fertile valleys that used to hold now-dead cities drown beneath newly formed lakes. The western portion of the continent is separated from the eastern regions by a chain of vast lakes. Changing conditions create strange forms of plant and animal life.

Atlantis sinks, leaving behind only a few scattered, uninhabitable islands. Refugee ships from the inundated land flee to the east and increase the numbers surviving on the mainland Atlantean kingdom.

The Sunset Isles are raised up to become the western mountains of a new continent. These mountains are volcanic, and this volcanism lays waste to the Pictish population that survives the uplift. The Isles of the Sea are uplifted to become the mountainous backbone of a vast, southern continent.

The vast archipelago of Lemuria is inundated, leaving behind only a great, mountainous island surrounded by a number of smaller islets.

Millions die when continental Mu is rent asunder and its twenty great cities vanish beneath the waves, leaving only the crags of the Valla mountain range above water.

The lands surrounding the city of the winged men are altered; growing into dank jungle. Reasons inexplicable to mankind keep the city’s inhabitants from migrating to better surroundings.

The only known nations to survive the Cataclysm relatively unscathed are on the Thurian continent; pre-human Stygia in the South and the colony of Mu in the East.

The Post-cataclysmic World Age

-c. 99,000 B.C.: [Post-Great Cataclysm]: The Thurian continent continues to experience earth tremors and volcanism following the Cataclysm. In the northwestern part of the continent, a tribe of stone-age savages has fled northward toward the now-warm polar regions to escape the noxious volcanism. They encounter a species of hardy snow-ape that they forcibly drive above the Arctic Circle to perish. The snow-apes, for their part, thrive in their new environment. Farther south, the Atlanteans are hurled back into a Stone-age existence, due to constant warfare with barbaric refugees and strange creatures. To their south, the eastern Pictish colony has fared no better. Eventually the two stone-age nations come into contact and begin a series of bloody wars. Off to the east, a remnant of a non-Thurian race called the Zhemri dwells amid the region’s low mountains.

To the far south, lies the nation of Stygia (the Elder). Its destiny, at the present time, is still pre-human. The nation re-enters the world-scene when Set, the Old Serpent, the god of Stygia, decides to re-energize his fading kingdom. His serpent-men, for the most part, have passed from the world, so Set assumes the form of a man and undertakes the creation of a new race to worship him. Since he takes the form of a man it's reasonable to assume that the race he is trying to mate with is human as well. His efforts result in the creation of the "Sons of Set"; huge serpents with human-featured faces.

To the west, on the nameless northern (American) continent, incessant volcanism has turned the fertile lands of the former islands into an inhospitable desert. The remnant Pictish population travels eastward and discovers that they have to contend with fierce beasts and a race of ferocious, Neanderthal-like ape-men. These creatures are refugees from the easternmost, wilderness parts of the Sunset Isles. The western Picts are sufficient in strength and number to drive the ape-men before them. They eventually discover a rich fertile region of broad plains, where they settle for many centuries.

The surviving city of Na-hor on the remnant island of Mu begins to rebuild itself into a center of higher knowledge.

-c. 98,500 B.C.: The Atlantean and Pictish wars have culminated with the Atlantean nation dissolving into a number of Stone-age tribes and the eastern Picts retaining a loose sense of national identity. They continue to wage war with each other, albeit on a lesser scale. Here and there about the world are scattered tribes of apish savages, ignorant about the rise and fall of the previous great civilizations.
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At this point I would be remiss, if I didn’t mention that this part of the history completely breaks with what Howard wrote in his essay The Hyborian Age. This is due, in part, to the fact that Howard inserts a great deal of both evolution and de-evolution into the history at this point. Evolution on the scale that Howard describes it does not take place over a mere 500 years, but instead takes thousands, if not millions of years to accomplish. Howard recognizes this fact in Rogues in the House when he states that man-ape Thak may become human within a hundred thousand years. Since nearly all of his human evolution takes place around this 500 year time period, it only makes sense that this period of his history is the part that needs to reflect change. What follows is a list of all of the races that evolve or devolve during this time period.

The Stone-Age tribes of Atlanteans have devolved into wandering bands of ape-men, without human speech, and the ability to make fire and use tools. [According to Howard, this had happened within 1,000 years of the Lesser Cataclysm] They then turned it around and evolved into the Cimmerian race. [2,000 years after the L.C., according to “The Hyborian Age”]

The snow-apes evolve into the Nordheimer race. [3,000 years after being driven beyond the Arctic Circle]

The Lemurians evolve to become more human-looking; they are a swart, strange race of short, broad men with strange-looking eyes.

A new race evolves on a group of islands off the coast of the southern (American) continent. They are a race of red-headed giants; cave-dwelling artists. This is the Cro-Magnon race, although the western Picts call them Atlanteans.

By implication, the black African race evolves during this time, since no humans are seen around the city of the Winged Ones until Stygians show up during the Hyborian Age. The first black men to visit the city appear somewhat later in the narrative. Frankly, Howard portrays his black race as being primitive savages, so they haven’t been evolved all that long.

The unknown race of giants in “The Pool of the Black Ones” most likely evolved on an island group in the Atlantic during this time as there is no mention of anyone like that during the Thurian Age.

In the region of the northern (American) continent that will one day be known as “west Texas”, a new human race is in the process of evolving during this period. Outwardly they appear mostly human, but they have developed curiously peaked skulls and their feet and hands aren’t quite the normal style. They worship some type of serpent-god.

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Other events occur during this “post-cataclysmic” world age.

In the land of Stygia (the Elder), The “Sons of Set” have conquered and now rule the known world. Unfortunately, even though these creatures are practically immortal; they would eventually fall to sleep for incredibly long periods of time. It is my contention that these "Sons of Set" would perform the same rituals that their father did and also mate with humans. Think about it like this: genetically these creatures should be nearly 100% human, since Set had taken human form. They only looked like snakes due to the "divine aspects" of their nature. As the "Sons of Set" mated with humans, they would also have genetically human offspring; however the spark of "divinity" within them would have been diluted, making their offspring a more human-looking version of a snake. These offspring were the Giant-Kings of Old Stygia mentioned in The God in the Bowl. Further mating between humans and the Giant-Kings would produce the white-skinned Stygian race that populated Old Stygia and Acheron; the race whose blood carried a demonic taint. All of this happened between the Greater and Lesser Cataclysms

Over the passing centuries, remnants of the people of Xultha would periodically leave the island of Mu to colonize lands to the south (?), west, east, and north. They settle on islands and discover strange new continents hurled up from out of the deep during the Great Cataclysm. The members of one of the fleets leaving Mu at this time are the ancestors of the people that found the time-lost nation of the Khemuri.

The Lemurian islands are left geologically unstable after by the Great Cataclysm and its inhabitants begin to migrate to the more stable parts of the world surrounding them. The west coast of the northern (American) continent becomes the prime location for Lemurian relocation. The Lemurians of this age know very little about cultivation and craft, but they do possess strange knowledge of curious architecture. From the western Picts, they learn how to make implements of polished obsidian, jade, and argillite.

A unnamed nation arises in the Thurian continent on the southern end of the chain of vast lakes. The race is Lemurian in origin, and they are famed for building great circular cities of green stone. They are mental giants and amass a staggering amount of knowledge, both scientific and magical. They presumably fight several inconclusive wars with Stygia (the Elder). [If I were to put a name to this nation it would be Xuthalla.]

The time-lost nation of the Khemuri arises along the southern shore of the northern (American) continent. At its height, it girdles the entire gulf from west to east.

After some passage of time, the people of Mu are no longer able to colonize the lands to their north due to a savage (presumably Lemurian) race of sea-roving people that destroy their fleets. The last inhabitants in Na-hor live in idleness and ease.

- c. approximately 38,500 B.C.: Seismic instability inundates much of the Lemurian archipelago, and a large portion of the population flee by boat to the eastern coast of the Thurian (Eur-Asian) continent. This is presumably due to the fleet-destroying sea-people that infest the seas to the east. The refugees are enslaved by the ancient race that already dwells there and their history, for thousands of years, is one of brutal servitude.

The Lesser Cataclysm

- c. approximately 37,500 B.C.: [The Lesser Cataclysm]: New lands rise from the deep and sink into the deep; the attendant earthquakes, floods, and volcanoes add to the misery of the world.. The destruction of the world isn’t nearly as severe as the Great Cataclysm. Unfortunately the warm world of the post-cataclysmic age has come to an end. The stage has been set for the beginning of the next Ice Age. The planet has seen a number of geological changes.

The original Thurian continent is altered once again; the most noticeable change is that a great inland sea has formed at the site of the former chain of lakes, further separating the East from the West.

The jungle-lands surrounding the city of the winged men are convulsed by earthquakes, and spouting volcanoes fringe the horizon with lurid, red pillars of fire. An earthquake shakes down the walls and highest towers of the city. The quake causes the river supporting the city to run black for several days with some lethal substance; over time it causes a frightful chemical change in the city’s inhabitants.

Lemuria is completely destroyed; reduced to a single swampy, uninhabited islet.

The small island archipelago of Mu is likewise reduced to a single island. The city of Na-hor, however, survives.

On the northern (American) continent, eastern regions of the nation of the Khemuri subside into the sea, as well as the southern parts of the isthmus connecting the northern and southern (American) continents.

Next: Acheron and the Hyborian Age...
 
Ripkke:

You said "Further mating between humans and the Giant-Kings would produce the white-skinned Stygian race that populated Old Stygia and Acheron; the race whose blood carried a demonic taint. All of this happened between the Greater and Lesser Cataclysms".

But, what of Thuron, the high-priest of the Black Shadow, who lived in Thurian Age (THE ALTAR AND THE ESCORPION)? You also forget to mention Akivasha - who became a vampire 10,000 years before Conan's Age - and the foundation of Vendhya (also 10,000 years before the Cimmerian king of Aquilonia).

Anyhow, your timeline is very good, explaining the Nordheimrs' origin and showing that maybe Cro-Magnons wasn't the same Atlanteans from Thurian Age, since they wasn't black-haired (at least, not all of them). And thank you for your answer on my doubt about "Spear and Fang"! :D
 
Fernando said:
But, what of Thuron, the high-priest of the Black Shadow, who lived in Thurian Age (THE ALTAR AND THE SCORPION)? You also forget to mention Akivasha - who became a vampire 10,000 years before Conan's Age - and the foundation of Vendhya (also 10,000 years before the Cimmerian king of Aquilonia).
The main reason that Thuron wasn't mentioned in this timeline is because I deal with him in a somewhat different manner than I did in my "The Mystery of Pre-Human Stygia" essay. That essay attempts to show that the Giant-kings of Pre-human Stygia existed during the Thurian Age of Kull, by assuming the accepted "Hyborian Age" chronological datings and the 10,000 year date given in "Hour of the Dragon" are accurate. In the timeline posted on this forum, I have dispensed with the "Hyborian Age" datings as not being completely accurate, and attempt to show that the Pre-human Stygian nation "evolved" from being a non-human nation to being a mostly human nation ruled by the Giant-kings during the 60,000 years of the Post-Cataclysmic Age. Viewing it in that light makes Thuron (who existed during the Thurian Age) one of the Elder-race of men (albeit one who greatly resembles a Giant-King).

Akivasha became a vampire near the end of the Post-cataclysmic Age, when the white-skinned humans were taking more of an active role in the day to day affairs of the nation. Whether her father, the king, was human or a Giant-king is open to debate.

The founding of Vendhya is actually a pretty vague number to start pinning down on a timeline. The "thousand generations of kings" that is thrown around in "People of the Black Circle" can be used to cover a great deal of temporal terrain. It doesn't even have to refer to the nation of Vendhya, because it's really refering to lineage of Kshatriyan rule. Think of it in this way: The Queen of England can trace her Royal Lineage back to the Hapsburg rulers of Europe; just because she rules England doesn't mean that the whole Royal line neccesarily did. :?
 
Thank you for your answer about Thuron. :) And, about Vendhya, I think Howard left an open question about the "thousand generations". In my opinion, who believe Vendhya was founded 10,000 years before Conan's Age by the Kshatriyas is as sure as who believe they did it later than a hundred centuries. 8)
 
Rippke:

Two other doubts I have are about Thoth-Amon and Lissa.

1) In one of the first drafts of "Marchers of Valhalla", Ishtar says to Hialmar she was cursed by the Stygian sorcerer with the eternal life. So, why couldn't Thoth-Amon be a Pre-Cataclismic Khari sorcerer - maybe a Thulsa Doom's succeeding in the Great Serpent's worship -, who maybe helped the Khari of fleeing from the Lemurians' uprising, millennia after he curses Ishtar? Why didn't you mention this in your timeline?

2) About Lissa, she was doubtless a Hyborian. But the first Hyborians were grey-eyed, like the Gundermen of Conan's Age. Violet eyes, like the Lissa's ones, are - if I'm not wrong - genetically dominated by gray ones. So, what could be the origin of that Gazali's eyes?
 
The main reason that I didn't mention Thoth-Amon in the timeline is because Howard changed the means by which Ishtar was cursed with eternal life. In the actual story, Poseidon gifts his bride with that curse. Could Thoth-Amon be a pre-cataclysmic sorcerer? Of course it's possible. But Howard changed it for some reason between the first and final draft. He may have thought that Poseidon made better narrative sense. He may have simply decided to use Thoth-Amon's name in the early draft because he had used the name in two recent Conan stories ("Marchers of Valhalla" was written around the same time as "Tower of the Elephant") and then decided to delete the mention of the sorcerer because it didn't really fit his conception of the character. Although we will never know his actual reasons, we do know that Howard decided against using the Stygian in the story. I really can't second guess Howard in this instance; he should be allowed to change his mind for whatever reason.

As for Lissa, I think that you are splitting hairs, somewhat. Violet-colored eyes in reality, according to my brother the doctor, are actually just a shade of grey. A variation that looks more purplish than the typical grey eye color. Her eye color can be entirely attributed to Hyborian genetics.
 
Thank you for your answers! :D

But I believe that a Howard's fan will always "split hairs". I would never understand the Lissa's violet eyes if I didn't ask you. I almost believed she could be a Hyborian mixed with someone of the Old Race - but I deleted this idea at once, because of the severals cataclysms and the enormous time's gap between Kull and Conan. It was a huge curiosity that I believe it would never have a good answer if I didn't ask it to you.
 
essentially Howard started the Conan and Kull series so he wouldn't have to pay strict attention to dates, historical events, etc. He wrote pulp which meant he had to write a lot and write a lot fast. He wanted to do historical type adventures set in the ancient past but he didn't want to waste all his valuable time doing research in some library. Remember he didnt have the web, ebay, or even a word processor.(it took real dedication back then to write) My point is, if you are getting hung up on dates, youre sorta missing the point..........its a fantasy, not reality, tall tales meant to be enjoyed, not added to a textbook. Hey, im the biggest geek out there but some things you gotta let ride.
 
xssurdinynexes said:
its a fantasy, not reality, tall tales meant to be enjoyed, not added to a textbook

I understand your point of view, but my interest, the Rippke's one and the others' one is not only enjoy them. My interest in understand the Howard's fiction, for example (we mustn't forget the connection he done between places and characters in several tales and essays), is because the more I understand it, the more I enjoy it! :D

If Dale Rippke wasn't doing his wonderful timeline, I'd never imagine, for example, that the Nordheimrs could be, in REH's conception, descendants of the giant snow apes, driven millenia before to the North by the first Hyborians. The same thing I say about the essays "To the Styx and Beyond" and "The Blue East". If I didn't read these essays, I'd still think Khitai was in China; Vendhya, in all India's area, and Keshan at west - and not at east - of the Styx River. The Howard's fiction is full of curiosities that, in my opinion, are worth of being studied and understood. :D 8)

So, I'd like to make use of this post for another ask to Rippke. Agreeing with "The Hyborian Age", "Queen of the Black Coast" and "The Black Stranger", most of the Argoseans was dark-skinned, black-eyed and black-haired. The yellow-haired Strom was a rare exception among them, because he seemed a pure - or almost pure - descendant of Hyborians. But, what of Red Ortho (mentioned by Valeria in "Red Nails")? His name seems to be Argosean - it finishes with "o" and he was a Barachan -, but the only red-haired people mentioned by Howard in Conan's Age seems to be the Vanirs. :?
 
I've taken notes on the various races; in fact, I've just reread a few of the actual scenes mentioning Argosseans. I'm really unsure where you come up with the men of Argos being "dark-skinned, black-eyed and black-haired". Argosseans, in both QUEEN and HOTD are described as being short and stocky, but i've found no descriptions more specific than that.
There are three Agrossean characters physically described in the Conan stories.
Tito, from QOTBC, has a black beard, which means his hair is black as well.
Strom is described as having tawny colored hair in BLACK STRANGER.
Galacus, Stroms first mate, is also described as having tawny colored hair.
It appears to me that most Argosseans appear typically Hyborian, with tawny hair. Tito probably just has some Zingaran DNA in his bloodline.
It also occurs to me that dark-skinned, black-eyed and black-haired perfectly describes the men of Zingara.

As for Red Ortho; he isn't physically described in RED NAILS at all. It's possible that he has red hair. It's also just as likely that the "Red" in his name is a nickname for his "bloody deeds". Howard uses the word "red" like that a bit; as per Strom's ship, the Red Hand, or the pirates of the Red Brotherhood. Food for thought...
 
Hello xssurdinynexes, Hello Brasileiro !
Fernando said:
I understand your point of view, but my interest, the Rippke's one and the others' one is not only enjoy them. My interest in understand the Howard's fiction, for example (we mustn't forget the connection he done between places and characters in several tales and essays), is because the more I understand it, the more I enjoy it! :D
(...)
The Howard's fiction is full of curiosities that, in my opinion, are worth of being studied and understood. :D 8)
I have the same opinion as Fernando about "REH scholarship".

xssurdinynexes said:
he didn't want to waste all his valuable time doing research in some library.
He spent a lot of time reading, X. Check the Robert E. Howard Bookshelf compiled by Rusty Burke.


BTW, X, if you're not interested, you don't need to read all this "scholar" stuff.
Enjoy the tales and, as you say, "let ride" 8) ...
 
Darkstorm said:
There are three Agrossean characters physically described in the Conan stories.
Tito, from QOTBC, has a black beard, which means his hair is black as well.
Strom is described as having tawny colored hair in BLACK STRANGER.
Galacus, Stroms first mate, is also described as having tawny colored hair.
It appears to me that most Argosseans appear typically Hyborian, with tawny hair. Tito probably just has some Zingaran DNA in his bloodline.
It also occurs to me that dark-skinned, black-eyed and black-haired perfectly describes the men of Zingara.

But we mustn't forget that in "The Hyborian Age", REH says the following:

"There is a strong Shemitish, even a Stygian strain among the peoples of Koth, and to a lesser extent, of Argos, while in the case of the latter, admixture with the Zingarans has been more extensive than with the Shemites".

So, it appears to me that in the center of Argos, people was tawny-haired like the first Hyborians, while had Zingaran mingling near to Argos's northern border and Shemitish one near to southeast border... :wink:

And thank you, Darkstorm, for your answer about Red Ortho! :D
 
Hi, Darkstorm,

In another topic, you said that "A careful reading of "The Hyborian Age" shows that the era existed just as the last Ice Age was getting underway. That would make it circa 33,000 BC"

However, my doubt is: did Robert E. Howard know that 35,000 years ago the glaciers had gone southward on Europe?
 
However, my doubt is: did Robert E. Howard know that 35,000 years ago the glaciers had gone southward on Europe?

Do we really care? Isn't this supposed to be fantasy? I mean REH was writer not an historian. I guess we're bound to find many gaps between the real earth timeline and Hyboria's one. Finding consistency in the Hyborian timeline is already hard enough...
 
Do we really care? Isn't this supposed to be fantasy? I mean REH was writer not an historian. I guess we're bound to find many gaps between the real earth timeline and Hyboria's one. Finding consistency in the Hyborian timeline is already hard enough...

I answer you with the same words I and Axerules used for xssurdinynexes. 8)
 
Fernando said:
Hi, Darkstorm,

In another topic, you said that "A careful reading of "The Hyborian Age" shows that the era existed just as the last Ice Age was getting underway. That would make it circa 33,000 BC"

However, my doubt is: did Robert E. Howard know that 35,000 years ago the glaciers had gone southward on Europe?
The short answer is: No, not to that specific date. That date is the current estimate when the last European ice age began. There isn't any practical way to determine what Howard knew about the ice age. There were books about the subject that existed during Howard's lifetime, but whether he read them is a matter of conjecture.

Both The Hyborian Age essay and The Valley of the Worm place the Hyborian Age prior to an ice age. The Hyborian Age places it prior to the latest ice age, and VOTW not only places it prior to the ice age, but alludes to having taken place "epochs and dim ages unguessed" and with "the surface of the earth has changed, not once, but a score of times; continents have risen and sunk, seas have changed their beds and rivers their courses, glaciers have waxed and waned, and the very stars and constellations have altered and shifted." This indicates that this particular Ice Age lasted a long, long time.

Hence, the 33,000 B.C. dating doesn't sound that far off.
 
Fernando, I guess you didn't get the meaning of my post. I'm a long time howard fan and I find this thread really interesting. I just wanted to state that, in my opinion, it'd be better to try to draw a consistent timeline of the REH worlds that trying to fit them in on our realworld timeline.
It is somewhat hard to consider that there was mighty civilizations some 40.000 years ago.
That's all for now, I'll try to stop flooding the post with silly interventions...
 
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