Company level organisations

tneva82

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Bit of OT for BF:EVO(or is somebody going to play company sized games here :D) but maybe somebody could help me anyway. I would need to get information about how different companies(tank, infantry and mechanised infantry for starters) are organised. Ie how many of different type of tanks etc.

If somebody knows good website then wohoo! As for countries USA and Russian would be excelent though German(and maybe England) wouldn't be that bad either.
 
Only for the US Army unfortunately but pretty comprehensive - http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/army/unit/toe/
 
btom said:
Only for the US Army unfortunately but pretty comprehensive - http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/army/unit/toe/

Thanks. That's a LOT of stuff to read but comprehensive ones usually are :D
 
British forces are quite simple, the fight and organise based on the rule of three.

3 sections to a platoon, 3 platoons to a coy(company to non squadies), 3 coys to a battalion or regiment depending, roughly 3 battalions to a reg, 3 regt to a brigade, 3 brigade to a divison.

so if the enemy is fighting at section strenght the BA will send a platoon in, if the enemy is at company strenght they'll send a battalion in, if their at division strength, theres two choices, send the whole fing army in or tell the yanks there terrorists.

pretty simple really, except when it comes to battalion's, some regt's have only one battalion while others have i think its the new rifle regt have 5 or 6, and they say Army org is confusing. but then this is for infantry,


Armoured works on the same principle but they usually support infantry so their wont be much battalion sized formations entering combat.
 
actually no each section is comprised of two 4man fireteams,

Alpha lead by the section cpl
Delat lead by the section lance jack - sorry i mean lance cpl

in armoured and artillery the platoon structure is replaced with the troop with which indeed has 3 "squads" but each "squad" is a single tank / AFV
 
tneva82 said:
Would I be correct assuming each section is composed of 3 tanks or 3 squads of infantry, depending on type of company?

This is usually where the rule of three breaks down :-D

The British have 8-man rifle sections, which are the equivalent of a US squad. Each rifle section consists of six soldiers and two (lance) corporals, and is split into two fireteams of four men each for tactical purposes.

Vehicle sections tend to consist of two vehicles; the section commander and his "wingman".

Keep in mind though that TO&E's are purely theoretical documents. In reality, the rule of three is the rule of two-to-four.
 
British Dismount Section depends as I understand it on whether it is Mech (mechanised) or Armoured. Mech in AT105 Saxon is 8 dismounts 2 fire teams of 4 or Amoured in in FV510 Warrior MCV80 is 7. 2 sections of 3 plus the section commander Platoon HQ is 4 dismounts in Armoured Platoons not sure if the rule of 8 still applies to Mech. All Sections in both types of section have 10 men. In Saxon driver and commander stays with vehicle. In Warrior Driver, Gunner and vehicle commander remain with vehicle. Troops I am told refer to Warriors as wagons.

As I understand dismounts for Mech will have 2 fire teams of 1 M249 Minimi SAW, 3 SA80A2 one with Kockler (H&K) underslung grenader Launcher one man may also carry the Javelin A/T. In Armoured fire teams each have 3 men with 1 M249 SAW and 2 SA80A2 one with Kockler underslung GL, Javelin as required. Section Commander directs fire teams and lends his support where and when required. HQ in Warriors (Platoon HQ Warriors are a little different in apperance rear door is different to section Warriors, just for info). 4 dismounts of Platoon Officer Lt. Platoon Sgt. Radio Operator and Runner with 51mm mortar this weapon is being withdrawn and will have disappeared by the time of BFE however just like the trusty Bren I am sure some will remain in the back of armoury stores. All carry SA80A2's. Company fire support will retain GPMGs and 81mm mortars for the forseeable future. Hope this helps.

Martin
 
hegemon said:
British forces are quite simple, the fight and organise based on the rule of three.

I may be wrong, and I'm certinaly off-topic, but wasn't the VietCong/NLF
organised like that during the Vietnam war?

Three men to a cell, three cells to a squad, three squads to a platoon, three platoons to a company and so on?
 
The USMC uses the same system, carried through also on the squad level: Three fireteams to a squad. "Rule of three" is pretty nifty in that it gives each unit two elements to fight with (one for base of fire, and one for manouevre) and a third to keep in reserve or strengthen either of the two fighting elements as the situation demands.

In theory, anyway - full manpower is a purely hypothetical condition :D
 
Helstrom said:
The USMC uses the same system, carried through also on the squad level: Three fireteams to a squad. "Rule of three" is pretty nifty in that it gives each unit two elements to fight with (one for base of fire, and one for manouevre) and a third to keep in reserve or strengthen either of the two fighting elements as the situation demands.

In theory, anyway - full manpower is a purely hypothetical condition :D

beat me to it :lol:
 
Of course, after about 20 minutes of combat, things tend to look quite different :)

Also, most infantry are notorious for scrounging extra weaponry
 
I'm a new poster, but thought I'd just clarify British infantry organisation. While I'm RAF Regiment, not Army, and we are organised differently above the Flight (Platoon) level, and have different ranks, I've worked with the Army a few times and have a lot of interest in TO&Es anyway, so I'm pretty sure this will be about 99% accurate.
British Army Infantry TO&E
The Section consists of a Corporal, a Lance-Corporal and six Privates. It is broken into two Fire Teams of four men, designated Charlie and Delta. The Corporal commands the Charlie F/Team, and the LCpl the Delta F/Team. Both F/Teams have an equal weapons mix, of an L85A2 for the F/Team commander, an L85A2 with UGL (Underslung Grenade Launcher), an LMG (the Minimi), and an L86A2 LSW (now used as a designated marksman's weapon).
In armoured infantry units, there can be as many as eight dismounts, as the Warrior carries seven infantry plus a crew of three. The crew includes the Section Commander, who doubles as vehicle commander, and who will usually dismount with his troops. Just as a disclaimer, I've worked alongside Warriors once, so this may not be accurate for all.
The Platoon consists of three Sections, with an HQ of a subaltern (Lieutenant), a Platoon Sergeant, a Signaller and often a Driver. Many units, especially light infantry, have added a fourth Section, known as the Movement Support Section, consisting of five men, and armed with the 51mm mortar, two GPMGs and three L85A2s. This is used, unsurprisingly, to provide fire support to cover movement and fix the enemy in place. The Company is three platoons plus a company HQ, commanded by a Major, and the Battalion is three Rifle Coys plus an HQ Coy and a Movement Support Coy containing the battalion anti-tank, mortar, recce and assault pioneer assets. Regiments are not tactical formations in the infantry, instead being administrative and cultural groupings. A brigade consists normally of two or three infantry battalions, grouped perhaps with an armoured regiment (actually a battalion in size). On the subject of armoure, a Troop (platoon sized unit) can consist of 3-4 vehicles depending on role (Armoured Recce or MBT), a Squadron (company equivalent, consists normally of 3 Troops plus an HQ element and Light Aid Detachment), and a Regiment is three 'Sabre' Squadrons plus an HQ Squadron and a support Squadron.
Of course, this varies hugely depending on unit SOP, the task to be undertaken, casualties, attachments, detachments, etc.
 
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