As for house ruling, why should you house rule it FFS (not having a rant at you DM mate). I'm sorry, but 'House Rule it' is a poor excuse for an unbalance in the game. If you 'House Rule' everything, you might as well just write your own rules
Burger said:It sometimes seems like some people don't even read threads before replying!
Lowly Uhlan said:Burger said:It sometimes seems like some people don't even read threads before replying!
awwwww
I did argue for the Brooklyn to go down to Skirmish during playtest. Just like I argued for the Hood to down go to Battle. It didn't end up that way.
Reaverman said:"But I did argue for [insert name of rule or statistic here]"
Common excuse used by play tester..............sorry someone needs to change that broken record!
"But I did argue for [insert name of rule or statistic here]"
Common excuse used by play tester..............sorry someone needs to change that broken record!
Soulmage said:"But I did argue for [insert name of rule or statistic here]"
Common excuse used by play tester..............sorry someone needs to change that broken record!
Have you ever done any playtesting for a major game company?
If so, then you would know that you are LUCKY if 1/3 of your suggestions actually get used!!
. . . and as far as broken records go. . . does complaining about PL instead of a point system sound at all familiar to you?
As PL, you prove to me the PL system works in a Historical game. If you can, which I doubt you will, then I will put my hands up and say you are right.
Soulmage said:As PL, you prove to me the PL system works in a Historical game. If you can, which I doubt you will, then I will put my hands up and say you are right.
My point is not that the PL system is a problem or not a problem. I think there's been plenty of discussion on that issue.
My point is that you keep raising it on pretty much every thread you possibly can.
Burger said:You're right, the Brooklyn is not worthy of being a Raid ship. Sometimes I think the ships were assigned their PL by random number generation. It is out-classed by many Skirmish ships, for example Aoba, Algerie, Chapaev, Trento, Leander, Perth........
The best solution is to go to a points-based system, since ships can't be arbitrarily tweaked for balance, because of historical accuracy.
emperorpenguin said:Burger said:You're right, the Brooklyn is not worthy of being a Raid ship. Sometimes I think the ships were assigned their PL by random number generation. It is out-classed by many Skirmish ships, for example Aoba, Algerie, Chapaev, Trento, Leander, Perth........
The best solution is to go to a points-based system, since ships can't be arbitrarily tweaked for balance, because of historical accuracy.
OK I didn't playtest VaS (in fact only played one game of it and got whooped!) so I'm not sure of the validity of arguments either way. However if you're correct Burger and the Brooklyn is in the wrong PL because the playtesting didn't pick it up then logic would dictate that in a points system it would have been given an incorrect points value.
So it is not the PL system at fault but rather whether a certain ship was correctly priced surely
Reaverman said:As PL, you prove to me the PL system works in a Historical game. If you can, which I doubt you will, then I will put my hands up and say you are right.
Lowly Uhlan said:Reaverman said:As PL, you prove to me the PL system works in a Historical game. If you can, which I doubt you will, then I will put my hands up and say you are right.
Every fleet that I build is balanced against any other fleet that is built by someone who has more than say, 2 games under their belt. The priority level system evens out when you take several ships (you know, like a fleet). Every game I play is a fair fight whether I'm playing IJN or USN, the 2 fleets I have models for, it would be the same if I was playing KM or RN, or the French. My group of units vs. another group of units, both built with fleet allocation points in a game that simulates naval WWII combat. Everyone I play VaS with wants to play again too. Seems like the PL sytem works in this historical game to me.
Reaverman said:Thats anecdotal evidence, not facts Uhlan. The game has been geared to let players of different fleets, play campaigns or tourney's. Currently, you are going to find if you ran a VAS tourney/campaign. It would be a US/IJ pacific fleet tourney/campaign, or a North Atlantic Tourney/Campaign. Deviate from those factors, and you get an inbalance. The RN, are going to have a hard time against the IJN, especially of the Yamato rolls out, the RN fleet would not cope. Then there are the Aoba cruisers, which can dominate a battle too. All I am pointing out, is that the whole system needs some sort of balance for players who want campaign, or tourney.