British weapons missing?

[emperorpenguin]

Just got my British infantry and I was a bit disappointed to discover that there are no rules/models for the LSW.
British sections have two minimis, two LSWs and four rifles.

I was also thinking that given the accuracy of the L85A2 it should have slightly better range than the M16A4

 

[anton970]

which poses are you talking about fella?

 

[emperorpenguin]

which poses are you talking about fella?

not talking about the figures. Just that now that I have them and their card I'm wondering why they weren't given one of the standard weapons of a British section, seems an odd choice for a game priding itself on accuracy....

 

[anton970]

thing is though what I heard is that the LSW was going to be replaced by the GPMG but that was a while ago!!

 

[emperorpenguin]

thing is though what I heard is that the LSW was going to be replaced by the GPMG but that was a while ago!!

No the GPMG being the SAW is getting replaced byt the Minimi Para. The LSW is used as a designated marksman rifle

 

[anton970]

well I never!

the LSW to be used by the section marksman thats strange, I was a better shot with the SA80A than the LSW.

but hey that was years ago. I'm sure if you hassle the boys enough you'll get a section upgrade of some sorts.

I'd love to see an assault pioneer section, armed with the usual battlefield weapons...

fags, beers, choc bars, skin flicks and most important of all wicked whit!!

lol....

 

[emperorpenguin]

from the British Army website

The LMG (Minimi) will not replace the LSW, but will complement it and enhance the effectiveness of the LSW and all section weapons across the spectrum of Infantry operations.

http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/current_equipment/the_infantry_small_arms_in_the_section.htm

 

[anton970]

now that is lovey, but you need to take your foot off the gas sunshine we're talking about lumps of plastic

hell if your that cut up about it use these stats...

LSW gunner,

+10 points for upgrade Brit infantry sqd

LSW stats

range 36 inches
damage D6

If your previous action was a ready add +2 to your damage and choose your target within the sections fire zone to allocate your hit to

 

[emperorpenguin]

now that is lovey, but you need to take your foot off the gas sunshine we're talking about lumps of plastic

that is a bit of a "cop-out" answer no offence!

BF:Evo was researched to make it as realistic as possible to the militaries it was portraying, "realism" in terms of arms and equipment is necessary otherwise this is just another fantasy game and we can arm the troops with anything we like.

If I am buying British soldiers for a modern or near modern game then I expect the correct equipment! Imagine if the British were carrying AK47s and we all said "well they're only plastic"

 

[Hiromoon]

I'm afraid it wasn't researched as fully as it should have been.

I mean, the Marines aren't going to use Land Warrior...they have their own system in the works.

MERS.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I'm afraid it wasn't researched as fully as it should have been.

I mean, the Marines aren't going to use Land Warrior...they have their own system in the works.

MERS.

Cheers Hiro, nice to see an explanation Land Warrior is less of a problem though I'd imagine because in game terms it'll do the same as MERS no?

I should have seen this earlier myself, I PM'd Matt ages ago to correct the early sneaks in S&P which had FIST named wrongly and the SAS using L85s


Though how come Alex being ex army didn't spot it!

 

[anton970]

now you see that's the differance between us pair fella, I'm happy to have a near future modern wargame,

I'm not too bothered about the realisim of how the standard British Army section will be armed, more about the playabilty of the game and the regular release schedule that MP has committed. Yea some of us will want it to be spot on etc.. me not that fussed.

Mind you the point you made is vaild so there must have been a fairly vaild reason for not including an LSW gunner? maybe a sniper team planned for the future? who knows the game is only 8 weeks old!

 

[katadder]

Though how come Alex being ex army didn't spot it!

notice the ex in that sentence, prob has something to do with it

 

[Mr Evil]

like its been said this game has only been out for 8 weeks, lets get the basics out and add the bells and wissles out later.

Lsw isnt a very popular weapon long tern any way, so it could be mongoose waiting for confermation on its replacment as a few contracts are up for tender.

 

[emperorpenguin]

like its been said this game has only been out for 8 weeks, lets get the basics out and add the bells and wissles out later.
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Fair enough if I was asking for something added BUT it IS basic kit for a British section!

Lsw isnt a very popular weapon long tern any way, so it could be mongoose waiting for confermation on its replacment as a few contracts are up for tender

according to Hiro they just didn't research it well enough, there is no replacement lined up I know of, certainly it won't get dropped in favour of the shorter range rifle

 

[Shadow4ce]

I was also thinking that given the accuracy of the L85A2 it should have slightly better range than the M16A4

Left the first half of the question out as it seems to have been fairly well covered already. As far as the second, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no M16A4 yet, (M16A2, current model in use). I think Mongoose figures the US Battle Rifle will continue with the same nomenclature and by 2015 will be equivalent to the L85A2, hence no difference in practical application.

 

[PilGrim]

I'm a well known cynic, but I think the real problem is that there are only 4 poses in each box, so no LSW and no NLAW. There is a lot of talk on these boards about game balance, release schedules , game philosophy and whatever, most of it just assumptions.

Just my cynical old mind at work :wink:

 

[Shadow4ce]

There is a lot of talk on these boards about game balance, release schedules , game philosophy and whatever, most of it just assumptions.

Just my cynical old mind at work :wink:

Funniest thing about this is these are assumptions based on only 4 pages of rules. Can't wait to see how muddled it gets about mid-May after the advanced rules are out.
Perhaps advanced assumptions? :shock:

Cynics of the world... Unite!

Er, wait. Scratch that. I'm a fan-boi cheerleader. The advanced rules will clear everything up and we'll all sing camp-fire songs while roasting marshamallows! 8)

Honestly, I hope the latter is true but am prepared for the former, as I am truly fancynical, equal parts fan and cynic, hehe.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. :wink:

 

[emperorpenguin]

I'm a well known cynic, but I think the real problem is that there are only 4 poses in each box, so no LSW and no NLAW. :

The LAW I can understand but one of the four poses should have been LSW, basic kit, not mission specific add-on

 

[emperorpenguin]

I was also thinking that given the accuracy of the L85A2 it should have slightly better range than the M16A4

Left the first half of the question out as it seems to have been fairly well covered already. As far as the second, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no M16A4 yet, (M16A2, current model in use). I think Mongoose figures the US Battle Rifle will continue with the same nomenclature and by 2015 will be equivalent to the L85A2, hence no difference in practical application.

See what I'm thinking is there is almost no difference between the British and Americans basic squads which is a bit dull. IF the LSW had been remembered then that would have reflected the differences, the British long standing ethos on accuracy over volume of fire.
The M16A4 is in use currently btw.
The British rifle was so accurate that the marksmanship test had to be redesigned, I'd personally have given the gun a little more range to represent that rather than the USMC and Brits being carbon copies (aside from inteligence feeds)