Breakaway Fighter

[AnotherDilbert]

Take a simple ship:
TL15, 100 dT, J-2, M-2, ReactionD-3

TL 15             Hull  44                                          77,4        
                             Desired    ∆TL    Rat    #    dTon     Cost    Power    HardP
Hull                            100                        100               20        1
Config    Close Structure         4             4                    4,5        
Hull strength    Standard         2             2                    
Armour    Bonded Superdense       3             3            2,4     1,1        
Breakaway Hull                    1             1            2,0     4,0        
Repair Drones                     1             1            1,0     0,2        
                                    
JumpD           Standard          2             2     1     10,0    15,0     20    
ManœuvreD       Very Advanced     2,6    2      3     1      1,8     4,6     26    
PowerP  (TL12)  High Technology          3            1      3,8     5,6     81    
                                    
Fuel, Jump                        2             2     1     20,0            
Fuel, Power                       8             8     1      2,0            
Fuel Purification              48 h          48 h     1      0,5     0,0      1    
                                    
ReactionD       High Technology   3,2    3      3     1      6,4     1,9        
Reaction Fuel   5 turns           1             1            1,6            
                                    
Bridge                            1             1           10,0     0,5        
Cockpit                           1             1            1,5     0,0        
Holographic                       1             1                    0,1        
Comp           m/15               3            15     1              2,0        
Backup Comp    m/10               2            10     1              0,2        
                                    
Sensors    Basic                                      2                
                                    
Staterooms                      60%             7     5     20,0     2,5        
Common Areas                    25%           25%     1      5,0     0,5        
Escape Capsule                    1                  10      5,0     0,2        
Armoury                           1                   1      1,0     0,3        

Cargo                                                        5,0            
Collapsible Tanks                 2                   2      0,0     0,0        
Acceleration Bench, Foldable      2                   8                
                                    
            
Turret                                    
Quad Particle   High Technology   1      3   TL14     1      1,0    26,0     34        1
                                   
                                    
                                    
Software                                                             8        
Jump Control/2                                 10                    0        
Evade/2                                        15                    2        
Fire Control/3                                 15                    6

Note that this is a breakaway ship. Now let's break away a 20 dT section:

TL 15              Hull  8                                           48,1     
                             Desired    ∆TL    Rat    #    dTon     Cost    Power    
Hull                             20                         20                4         
Config    Streamlined             2             2                     1        
Hull strength    Standard         2             2                    
Armour    Bonded Superdense      99            15            2,4      1,4        
                                    
ManœuvreD       Very Advanced     9      2      9     1      1,4      3,6    18    
PowerP  (TL12)  High Technology          3            1      2,6      3,9    56    
Fuel, Power                       4             4     1      1,0            
                                    
ReactionD       High Technology  16      3     16     1      6,4      1,9        
Reaction Fuel   5 turns           1             1            1,6            
                                    
Cockpit                           1             1            1,5      0,0        
Holographic                       1             1                     0,0        
Comp            m/15              3            15     1               2,0        
                                    
Sensors    Basic                                      1                

Cargo                                                        2,0            
Collapsible Tanks                 2             2            0,0      0,0        
Acceleration Bench, Foldable      2             8                
                                                 
Turret                                    
Quad Particle   High Technology   1      3   TL14     1      1,0     26,0    34        
                                    
                                    
                                    
Software                                                              8,0        
Evade/2                                        15                     2,0        
Fire Control/3                                 15                     6,0

And we have built a fighter that ignores the limitations of the firmpoint and can fire at very long range!

 

[Spartan159]

I might allow it if it was SkyDiver, but other than that umm No.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

I agree that it should probably not be allowed, but it is in the new High Guard.

I'm trying to point out that this is a bug.

http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=899536#p899536

 

[wbnc]

The Artful Dodger class patrol/escort..

It has some room for abuse. But in this case, I think that would be one a Ref can handle with simple "Nope!"

the idea of a jump sled/fighter isn't a bad concept, there just has to be some restraint exercised. If you had such a ship the main hull could loiter around in the outer system while the armed section went in to check out the area. Or the combat section stands off on overwatch while the main hull skims fuel.

 

[-Daniel-]

I must be missing something because I don't see this as a major issue. So a ship could carry a fighter. How is that any different than any other pocket carrier?

What am I missing that you folks are seeing?

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Any suggestion how a small breakaway ship should be armed? Firmpoints are technically not allowed.

 

[wbnc]

I must be missing something because I don't see this as a major issue. So a ship could carry a fighter. How is that any different than any other pocket carrier?

What am I missing that you folks are seeing?

in this case, the fighter is armed with a quad particle turret than can fire out to long range instead of short. where a normal 20-ton fighter can carry only a single weapon, and is restricted to firing at shorter ranges.

Of course this is if you treat the 20 ton section as a full starship instead of a small craft.

my suggestion would be to treat any section of the ship below 100 tons as a small craft. no bays limited range for firm point weapons, and targeting penalties for larger vessels firing at smaller vessels.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

I must be missing something because I don't see this as a major issue. So a ship could carry a fighter. How is that any different than any other pocket carrier?

What am I missing that you folks are seeing?

A regular 20 dT fighter can only have one turret weapon doing say 3D damage with a max range of Close. My example 20 dT section has a full turret doing 3D+9 damage with a max range of Very Long. The rules have a big loophole.

Of course this is if you treat the 20 ton section as a full starship instead of a small craft.

The 20 dT section is not a ship, the full combined 100 dT object is a ship. It's components, including the hardpoint, have to be included in some section.

my suggestion would be to treat any section of the ship below 100 tons as a small craft. no bays limited range for firm point weapons, and targeting penalties for larger vessels firing at smaller vessels.

That is basically what I suggested in the linked thread above. The current rules do not allow that, as far as I can see.

 

[-Daniel-]

I must be missing something because I don't see this as a major issue. So a ship could carry a fighter. How is that any different than any other pocket carrier?

What am I missing that you folks are seeing?

in this case, the fighter is armed with a quad particle turret than can fire out to long range instead of short. where a normal 20-ton fighter can carry only a single weapon, and is restricted to firing at shorter ranges.

Of course this is if you treat the 20 ton section as a full starship instead of a small craft.

my suggestion would be to treat any section of the ship below 100 tons as a small craft. no bays limited range for firm point weapons, and targeting penalties for larger vessels firing at smaller vessels.

Got it, I knew I was missing something but I guess I was just still asleep this morning when I read the thread. :lol:

Until it is fixed, I think I will just include your suggestion as a house rule in my house rule file. :mrgreen: