Boxed sets - suggested changes?

[Alexb83]

Okay, I got my Vorlon boxed set today (courtesy of my better half for xmas, bless her). Everything present and accounted for, as much as I've been able to look through it at work...

Nice models, a fair bit of flash as expected, some dimples here and there that will want smoothing, but all in all top notch (really like the heavy cruisers)

The only thing I would bring up is the fleet composition in the box - to my mind, 2 heavy cruisers is 1 too many (could do with an extra destroyer and transport instead) and 6 fighter bases isn't enough (9 makes far more sense given the 3 per patrol point/9 per raid breakdown))

I know Matt has talked about revising boxed sets to give a better fleet as well as the already top value for money - so maybe putting in desired/sensible changes request for future revision of existing boxed sets is a good idea?

 

[DrSeltsam]

Something similar with my Shadow box.
4x Armageddon and 6x Raid ships and 6x fighter flights. A heavy fleet now

Maybe changing the fleet boxes isn't that easy for Mongoose ( regarding existing stock, produce cycles and what ever ).

Also there is v2 on the horizon and we do not know what changes will happen to the fleet lists and the fleet box to support v2. Im looking forward on this and the news that we may or may not hear about this in the future.

 

[Alexb83]

Oh, I understand it's too late to change the existing stock, I'm just thinking of suggested core fleet boxes for when mongoose can repackage (possibly with V2).

The Shadows are a bit worse off than Vorlons, with one less ship choice - but still, there are better boxed sets that could be put together bearing in mind the ubiquitous 5pt raid games you'll want to play.

Currently the Vorlon box is 3 fighter bases short (for anyone who spends 1 raid on fighters) and could do with trading out one of the heavy cruisers (lovely model, but rarely used more than 1 at a time) for the more commonly used ships like Destroyers and Transports.
Having 5 raid ships in the box would be handy - at the present time, the only 5pt raid fleets you can build out of the Vorlon box are: Light cruiser + Transport, Destroyer/Destroyer + Transport, or Destroyer + Transport/Transport/Transport.

Bearing in mind that the Shadows may no longer have the Hunter in 2ed (with the psi corps fleet) - I don't know what to suggest for them? (Although again, they could do with 3 more fighter bases to make a raid point).

 

[DrSeltsam]

If i remember correct the Shaow fleet box is already 18 fighter flight short for the Shadow Ships .... if you ever plan 4pt Armageddon with only 4 Ships :roll:

Regarding you idea with v2 and re-packing of fleet boxes:
Sounds good ... maybe it will be necessary for the new fleet list after all. Currently we don't know and can only speculate about the future ...

But im with you that the fleet boxes should give you the possibility to build a 5pt raid list in more than one way.

 

[tneva82]

Bearing in mind that the Shadows may no longer have the Hunter in 2ed (with the psi corps fleet) - I don't know what to suggest for them?

Bit more variety to the fleet list(same for vorlons btw)?

V2 might be good idea to introduce few more ship classes for both fleets with redesigned fleet boxes added to mix.

"Borrow" AoG way for shadows and have different sized shadow ships for example. Something similar for vorlons.

Oh and anybody think it's bit odd that the 2 ancient fleets are seriously disadvantaged in fighter war? Okay maybe they aren't supposed to be better than everybody in fighters but I would have thought them to be atleast competent. Nothing major but atleast +1 dogfight would be decent(they should by the very least be better than the frazi's. Ep 1 of S2 and we saw frazi's trying to flee from IIRC equal number of shadow ships. Why flee instead of dealing with them and THEN fleeing? And why ram if frazi is equal to shadow fighter in fighter to fighter duel as ACTA stats indicate...Ramming is done in last resort...)

+1 dogfight(this btw helps them on lower scale battles which would help with fleet being ATM so top heavy). Maybe advanced fighter to vorlons akin to white star fighter(I don't know why but vorlons seems more likely to have such a ship).

Just few random thoughts.

 

[DrSeltsam]

Maybe different versions of the Scout ( Light Scout on Skirmish, "Destroyer" Scout on Battle ) and the Ship ( "Young" ? Ship on War, Small Ship an Battle ) or something like this ...

New models ( one for each PL level ) would be nice but you can't get everthing :roll:

 

[Alexb83]

Vorlon fighters do have the best fighter weapon in the game (AP, AF. Beam, Precise), and at 3 inches range.

Unfortunately they are so slow and have such poor dogfight, they just beg to be taken apart by opposition fighters

Speaking of Shadow mid-size ships, check out:

http://www.merzo.net/

It has nice piccies including AOG models in attempt to scale them. Shadow battlecruiser is in there...

 

[Shadow Queen]

dont forget the vorlons need filling as well the gaps are huge

 

[Alexb83]

There are a few around the seams - a bit of milliput will do the job.