emperorpenguin
Mongoose
With Itkovian's 15-5 over Humbaba I make it
What was the result of Davesaint vs Tneva82?
CZuschlag said:
What was the result of Davesaint vs Tneva82?
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CZuschlag
Mongoose
Results:
Triggy def. LaranosTZ by resignation, 20-0 result.
Itkovian def. Empororpenguin by a 19-1 result.
Tneva82 def. LaranosTZ for a score of 14-6.
CZuschlag def. LaranosTZ by an estimated 15-5 result.
Davesaint def. JayRaider by 33 for a 18-2 result.
Emperorpenguin def. Operative6678 20-0.
Ikovian def. Operative6678 by 37 for a 19-1 result.
CZuschlag def. Tneva82 by 22 for a 16-4 result.
Romu def. Itkovian for an 18-2 result.
Emperorpenguin def. Romu by 18-2 result.
Itkovian def. Humbaba by 19 for a 15-5 result.
Davesaint def. Tneva82; I have one unconfirmed report of a 16-4 result.
I only know of the two additional matches.
Group A:--------Points-----Games-----Record---Faction
Davesaint---------34----------2----------2-0------pak'ma'ra
CZuschlag--------31-----------2----------2-0-----Drakh
Tneva82-----------23----------3----------1-2------3rd Age EA
Triggy--------------20----------1----------1-0------Centauri
LaranosTZ --------11----------3----------0-3------League
JayRaider----------2-----------1----------0-1------Early Years EA
Group B:--------Points-------Games-----Record---Faction
Itkovian-------------55------------4-----------3-1-----ISA
EmperorPenguin---39-----------3----------2-1------Centauri
Romu----------------20------------2----------1-1------Abbai
Humbaba------------5-------------1----------0-1-----Minbari
Operative6678-----1-------------2----------0-2-----3rd Age EA
Triggy def. LaranosTZ by resignation, 20-0 result.
Itkovian def. Empororpenguin by a 19-1 result.
Tneva82 def. LaranosTZ for a score of 14-6.
CZuschlag def. LaranosTZ by an estimated 15-5 result.
Davesaint def. JayRaider by 33 for a 18-2 result.
Emperorpenguin def. Operative6678 20-0.
Ikovian def. Operative6678 by 37 for a 19-1 result.
CZuschlag def. Tneva82 by 22 for a 16-4 result.
Romu def. Itkovian for an 18-2 result.
Emperorpenguin def. Romu by 18-2 result.
Itkovian def. Humbaba by 19 for a 15-5 result.
Davesaint def. Tneva82; I have one unconfirmed report of a 16-4 result.
I only know of the two additional matches.
Group A:--------Points-----Games-----Record---Faction
Davesaint---------34----------2----------2-0------pak'ma'ra
CZuschlag--------31-----------2----------2-0-----Drakh
Tneva82-----------23----------3----------1-2------3rd Age EA
Triggy--------------20----------1----------1-0------Centauri
LaranosTZ --------11----------3----------0-3------League
JayRaider----------2-----------1----------0-1------Early Years EA
Group B:--------Points-------Games-----Record---Faction
Itkovian-------------55------------4-----------3-1-----ISA
EmperorPenguin---39-----------3----------2-1------Centauri
Romu----------------20------------2----------1-1------Abbai
Humbaba------------5-------------1----------0-1-----Minbari
Operative6678-----1-------------2----------0-2-----3rd Age EA
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Cheers CZ
Actual points etc are:
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Davesaint............2.........................34
Tneva..................2.........................22
Triggy..................1.........................20
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........3..........................39
Romu..................2..........................20
Humbaba.............1...........................5
Operative6678......2...........................1
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Davesaint............2.........................34
Tneva..................2.........................22
Triggy..................1.........................20
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........3..........................39
Romu..................2..........................20
Humbaba.............1...........................5
Operative6678......2...........................1
Well Emperor Penguin and I had our battle – if you can call it that; the dice were so heavily in my favor that there was literally nothing he could do to overcome the gap. No weapons can fire criticals, multiple no special actions / 0 speed criticals, etc. (no 6,6 crits though…). EP is clearly a skilled player as he took best advantage of my movement mistakes despite being off his game at the start do to a set up issue (thanks to Kat for being around to settle the matter). I look forward to playing EP again in friendly vassal games whenever we can overcome the 8-hour time difference – I really respect his making the best of a horrible situation. Final points 20-0, Minbari victory. 
Humbaba
Humbaba
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Well done to Humbaba, his plan was excellent and his implemenation flawless. I really don't think his set-up was flawed, I know mine was, I was off my game today and distracted by the set-up issues.
The dice were heavily in his favour, true enough, I suffered about 5 no weapons crits, similar speed 0 crits, plus several high damage and crew crits. I believe I inflicted at most one or two crits on him
:roll:
I pulled myself back into the game after a terrible start destroying a Tinashi and damaging the other two ships but once my remaining Prefect failed to repair a speed 0 crit I knew it was over.
And after all that I find out Justine Henin lost in the Wimbledon semis, a bad day for me!
The dice were heavily in his favour, true enough, I suffered about 5 no weapons crits, similar speed 0 crits, plus several high damage and crew crits. I believe I inflicted at most one or two crits on him
:roll: I pulled myself back into the game after a terrible start destroying a Tinashi and damaging the other two ships but once my remaining Prefect failed to repair a speed 0 crit I knew it was over.
And after all that I find out Justine Henin lost in the Wimbledon semis, a bad day for me!
updated points:
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Davesaint............2.........................34
Tneva..................2.........................22
Triggy..................1.........................20
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........4..........................39
Humbaba.............2..........................25
Romu..................2..........................20
Operative6678......2...........................1
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Davesaint............2.........................34
Tneva..................2.........................22
Triggy..................1.........................20
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........4..........................39
Humbaba.............2..........................25
Romu..................2..........................20
Operative6678......2...........................1
some people just dont fight to the end so surrender. he wouldnt have lost by that margin even with loss of his primus. maximum of what would be a 31vp loss even if lost all remaining ships which would only make it an 18-2 victory to humbaba. upto EP and humbaba if they want scores to change to reflect this.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
CZuschlag said:
No I conceded, got really fed up of rolling 1s with Humbaba getting 6s!
I have to say I don't have a high opinion of vassal, of my four games, 2 were heavily in my oppos favour, 1 heavily in my favour and only my game vs Rohmu had "fair" dice rolling.
1 in 4 average of "fair" rolling
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
no it's definitely more skewed than real life dice Triggy, I've never seen dice rolls like that in any ACTA/Warhammer/40K tournament I've been in down the years
Maybe for you...all I can say is I don't see it that often and there have been plenty of studies done on it. Not to mention how on earth can it make one player roll good dice and the other bad ones?emperorpenguin said:
The code has been studied extensively and there just is no bias other than from a player's point of view. Sorry if your experiences have been unfortunate but that's luck for you.
after Davesaint beat Triggy 15-5 heres the latest
updated points:
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Davesaint............3.........................49
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Triggy..................2.........................25
Tneva..................2.........................22
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........4..........................39
Humbaba.............2..........................25
Romu..................2..........................20
Operative6678......2...........................1
updated points:
Player..........Games played............Points
Group A
Davesaint............3.........................49
Czuschlag............2.........................36
Triggy..................2.........................25
Tneva..................2.........................22
LaranosTZ............3..........................6
Jayraider..............1..........................2
Group B
Itkovian...............4..........................55
Emp Penguin........4..........................39
Humbaba.............2..........................25
Romu..................2..........................20
Operative6678......2...........................1
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Triggy said:
Gremlins? :wink:
it may not be scientific but there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence from players in this tournament that dice keep alternating high and low
I'm seeing a lot of 6s and 1s one after the other, like an attempt at getting an average 7.
All I can do is recount my experiences and of the 4 games I played 3 had extremely biased dice rolls to one player
LaranosTZ
Mongoose
I don't think it's biased towards one player or the other, I think that it is biased towards sets. From many many many dice rolls, I have seen vassal roll more sets then any random number generator I have ever seen. It has some very bad habits, which is why you see doubles and triples so often. Every time it rolls a sequence, it favors the same number again and again. This is more obvious in situations where one side is rolling smaller sequences, and less obvious when rolling longer since there is more opportunity for the variations to even out. Essentially, this means that fleets based around 2-4 dice per shot are going to tend to either roll big, or completely miss quite a large amount of the time with almost no 'consistancy' in the rolls.
I think if you look at the logs, you'll see this become rather obvious, look at the dice sequences, not at the overall ending counts of what numbers were rolled, (for example, when I roll 22 dice and 8-9 of them are 1s, that's saying something, especially when the next roll of the same number of dice 7 of the dice are 2s.) Now, this doesn't mean that the dice 'favor' one player, but it does mean that it's very easy for one player or the other to get a string of 'hot' dice.
I think if you look at the logs, you'll see this become rather obvious, look at the dice sequences, not at the overall ending counts of what numbers were rolled, (for example, when I roll 22 dice and 8-9 of them are 1s, that's saying something, especially when the next roll of the same number of dice 7 of the dice are 2s.) Now, this doesn't mean that the dice 'favor' one player, but it does mean that it's very easy for one player or the other to get a string of 'hot' dice.
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