Army of Light - no more League? Playtest rules questions.

Greg Smith

Mongoose
I know there are plenty of players of mixed League fleets. Are you happy to go for the Army of Light? Do you have a limited number of ships, meaning the loss of combined League fleets will leave you struggling?

Otherwise, is the Army of Light, too restrictive or are there too many cool options that mix too many good ships?

Other thoughts?
 
I'll let Davesaint and Ripple have a go at this one, but they .... weren't fans. Ripple might be getting himself armed with some screen evidence.
 
I think it is a bit strange. How was the ship list drawn up? It doesn't seem to be ISD-based. Many of each fleet's best ships are not in it such as Strikehawk (clearly seen on screen leaving a Ranger base, launching Marcus's Sky Serpent). And why are Primus, Sentri and Vorchan in it!!

Why not keep the League (in addition to the AoL?), but only allow ships with ISD 2232 or before?
 
I guess that if we cannot play mixed league fleets (except in the very restrictive Army of Light new list), it could mean the death of the Abbai.
What about the Brivoki? it was clearly designed by a joint venture between Abbai and Brakiri. I don't see why they should be authorized to mix their ressources.

Also, given the fact that the best Hulls in the league are the newest, another option could be to authorize mixed fleet with only the ship with ISD 2261 or before.
If we want to play with the best ships, this will have to be done in separate fleets.

What do you all think?
 
Burger said:
I think it is a bit strange. How was the ship list drawn up? It doesn't seem to be ISD-based.

Initially it was any ship in those fleets available in 2261.

Which was 125 ships (IIRC). That need to be a little more restrictive.

And why are Primus, Sentri and Vorchan in it!!

A think that is a typo (to be polite).

Why not keep the League (in addition to the AoL?), but only allow ships with ISD 2232 or before?

I have to admit, I'd like to see a Liberation Navy list, which includes the EA. But that may be something for the mooted Dilgar War book.
 
Burger said:
I think it is a bit strange. How was the ship list drawn up? It doesn't seem to be ISD-based. Many of each fleet's best ships are not in it such as Strikehawk (clearly seen on screen leaving a Ranger base, launching Marcus's Sky Serpent). And why are Primus, Sentri and Vorchan in it!!

Why not keep the League (in addition to the AoL?), but only allow ships with ISD 2232 or before?
I have no idea why the Primus, Sentri and Vorchan were added, they're not members of the AoL. As for the Strikehawk - it should have been, it and the Warbird were in the initial list.

I came up with the list based on onscreen, canon ships. It ended up giving a reasonable mix of PLs and we added a ship each for the Gaim and pak'ma'ra just for completion's sake (I'd probably err to the Urik-Hal instead).

The limitations on how to pick fleets were really a throwback to the previous AoL trial rules with not limitations on any AoL race's fleet list. If we're having this limited set of ships then we could really do away with the x number of ships per fleet.

They'd also need an Other Duties table, but use the refits table as per each ship's own list.
 
I really didn't get the fleet selection rules. Numbe of ships from one race can't exceed the number of fleets? So if I wanted a selection of Drazi, ISA and Vree, I couldn't take 4 Sunhawks? It seems over-restrictive and unnecessarily complex.
 
I already told Triggy I hate this idea. For the rest of you - I hate this idea.

Bring back the League of Non-Aligned Worlds fleet as an option and make the Army of Light a scenario-specific rule.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
I already told Triggy I hate this idea. For the rest of you - I hate this idea.

Bring back the League of Non-Aligned Worlds fleet as an option and make the Army of Light a scenario-specific rule.
The biggest reason against the League is that there are too many options now and they are getting too powerful with all of the choice that they have.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Bring back the League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Well I can see why it was removed. The League don't actually work together at any point in the series, they are mostly bickering or shooting at each other. So between 2232 and 2261 a League fleet really doesn't fit the series.

A League fleet of 2232 would make sense, as Greg said it may (annoyingly) be in the Dilgar War bok rather than P&P.

After 2261 the AoL does make sense as well, in theory. But I thought that was just the ISA's "allies" rule.
 
conversely though, we KNOW they fought together during the dilgar war at least. It's already difficult enough for some fleets to field a specific dilgar scenario, removing the league entirely means that I for example have only a Brikorta and Corumai available. Sure this might get fixed again in a dilgar war book, but still. . .
 
When do the League races actually fight each other? They act together when they're motivated to do so, the League exists because, militarily at least, the League powers just aren't up to it alone.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
When do the League races actually fight each other?
When the Shadows manipulated them into it. Drazi/Brakiri I believe, or Gaim and someone else?

The League weas more about political power than military (Dilgar war excluded). They joined forces so that all the little powers could have one vote on the B5 committee, whereas the major races had a seat each.
 
I have to agree that the league is getting too many ships now to allow mixed fleets as people just patch over any percieved weaknesses in their fleet.

that said perhaps the ships in the AoL need looking at closer and have differant lists available depending on the conflict - dilgar war/shadow war etc.
 
Burger said:
When the Shadows manipulated them into it. Drazi/Brakiri I believe, or Gaim and someone else?

The League weas more about political power than military (Dilgar war excluded). They joined forces so that all the little powers could have one vote on the B5 committee, whereas the major races had a seat each.

The League got a single vote in the Babylon Treaty - it existed before the Babylon Project was even conceived, they just got shafted in the treaty.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
I already told Triggy I hate this idea. For the rest of you - I hate this idea.

Bring back the League of Non-Aligned Worlds fleet as an option and make the Army of Light a scenario-specific rule.

Ditto on both accounts. The AoL is seen only in one scenario, and while the league may fight against each other they still ally a lot more than the so-called AoL ever did.

Cheers, Gary
 
Isn't it similar to the UN Security Council - the Major Powers decide things and the others get a vote or a temporary palce on the council in the UN to keep them happy

the thing to avoid is a fleet taking the best from a great number of fleets..................

I too was surprised to see the Glorious Republic joining the Army of Light. :wink:

it would be best to have a Liberation Navy list and a Army of Light list - with the agreement of your opponent needed and perhaps a privso that the latter can only be used against Shadows or Vorlons?
 
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