Are those prices true?

Lone Gunman said:
The problem's not the unity of prices, but some of the prices themselves. Getting starter with my early EA will now cost me 100 $ for 8 ships, no fighters, no support, no other ships and the fleet box doesn't help me either.

so then $100 for 8 ships, which is therefore £50 for 8 ships, each ship therefore averaging £6.25. hmm, roughly what we have been paying for 6 years then?
 
well the old fleet boxs used to cost us £55 or $110 so like i said its about time there was parity and its good to see.
 
most of the ships costed 8,95 or 9.95 before. Most are now 17.95(avenger, sagittarius to name 4 of them). And I live in Europe, so $ =€ = + 20% on all prices for us.

But that has become common practice in the gaming industry doesn't it? Europeans mostly pay more. :cry:
 
buy them from UK then ;) oh thats right, same prices now. so you guys finally have to pay same prices as us too for a UK companies product. dont you think people in the UK would have liked to pay in dollars too previously?
 
I don't own a credit card or have access to paypal, so no way to buy in GB. Also, what should my lgs then say? I need somewhere to play and want to support him, but the current prices don't give a way to.

I'm not complaining about a unification of prices nor that uk =us = eu prices, but rather the sudden jump for the same ships. +5$ for a nova or even +8,95€ for Sagittarius is a tad too much for my wallet. In my 10 years of gaming experince now I've rarely seen such an immensive jump. GW does it gradually and their price are already high, but they have devoted followers (I don't write fans, as it's mostly not true) but ACTA is only slowly gaining some ground here and then the prices struck most players, so they stopped buying minis or went back to counter all together. Why pay almost double for the sam ship when the qualitiy does not get better?
 
The quality issue is still there. I've got a pair of miscast Vorchans to go back, the rear slots are full of metal so I can't build them at all. Casting quality is low across the board, and frankly the quality doesn't justify the price. Something needs to be done about this issue, sooner rather than later.
 
That, is for certain. I've painted Warhammer products, both tanks and infantry, Flames of War, Privateer Press (War Machine and HORDES), and Babylon 5. Of all of those mention, Babylon 5 minis are the worst. I've worn down my dremel bits trying to get flash out.

Alot of them I've simply given up on. My Space Liner doesn't line up well, even after filing down the small inner ring on both ends and gluing it straight on. Babylon 5 station's hull attachment piece doesn't line up with the hull itself. The fighters all have a variety of engine lengths. The engine section on the larger ships (Nemesis, Warlock, Omega) is so full of flash that it's really impossible to clean all of it up. All of the civilian freighters and tankers don't line up and have flash in places I simple don't have anything narrow enough to get it out with. The Victory Destroyers simply do not attach wings well.

Babylon 5 was always the most expensive game that I play, and now it is even moreso. I agree that we should see a significant increase in quality.

Dark Angel
 
There is always fleet action scale minis, a hell of a lot cheaper than Acta scale. Far better than tokens, take up less space, quicker to paint and the minis are in far better condition.
 
fortunately for my psychological condition, I came into this after the prices had already gone up, and I love Bab5 enough that I would pay $20 apiece for Hyperions. Let alone $30 for a Victory.

But the quality of the models IS seriously lacking. That's something I was thinking about after I posted about renting out the molds to Reaper or some other well-known American mini-manufacturer...

I think Reaper would refuse the molds and demand the right to make their own. Of course, I don't see a downside to this...
 
RivetHead is the best I have ever seen. It's not to say there is no flash or quality issues on their part, but their models are the easiest to clean, model, and assemble.

Dark Angel
 
I know everyone, lets make sarcastic comments that the US has to pay the "same" as the UK now instead of understanding that jumping from $10 to $18 is a big step and that the models loose the price advantage they use to have over competing companies and games, which won't kill the Hobby but makes it less appealing and that much harder to play/find new members/justify how much money we spend on toys. Rozxxxors! :roll:

</sarcastic disappointment at some people>
 
You yanks want it all ways, don't you? You want stuff cheaper than the rest of the world, and you want it before the rest of the world. Guess what? Prices climbing to match what we pay isn't a violation of your divine rights. Welcome to our world, where things cost more than they're worth and we have to wait while other people get things before us.
 
kodiak888 said:
I know everyone, lets make sarcastic comments that the US has to pay the "same" as the UK now instead of understanding that jumping from $10 to $18 is a big step and that the models loose the price advantage they use to have over competing companies and games, which won't kill the Hobby but makes it less appealing and that much harder to play/find new members/justify how much money we spend on toys. Rozxxxors! :roll:

</sarcastic disappointment at some people>

yes, jumping from $10 to $18 is a big step, but given you have had 6 years of underpricing, can you really blame our lack of sympathy. Lets look at it another way. it's an increase of $1.33 a year, which itself is probably no worse than a lot of companies, it's just that it came in one big step. I dunno how much you know of economics, but their is a thing called inflation, people get pay rises, matereals become more expensive, this has the result of making things on the whole more expensive EVERY year, maybe say, to the tune of $1.33.
The other argument people are using is that a FOW tank only costs say $12.. I hate to break it to you, but those tanks are mostly resin... thats cheaper than the metal (at least if I want to buy it)...also claims are that iron kingdoms is cheaper. Let me think. I just spent £40ish thats $80 on some trollkin long riders. now then, i would ,say their is more metal in 2 Bin'Taks than my 3 long riders... yet wait, 2 BinTaks work out £10 cheaper... gosh. And I dunno bout stateside, but iron kingdoms boxes just went up £7ish as well.
thins is my friend, and you caught me on a bad moment, so I apologise. People are whining without thinking about it, NO price increase for 6 years*, you got them CHEAPER than the country of origin (ok, Mongoose origin, afaik the models are made in the states). Now before you all jump on the bandwagon and smack me down, does anyone play Axis and Allies the board game? last time I checked, I could get it for about $50 in the states... in the UK the exact same game costs me $90 equivalent. yes folks, we too get kicked in the the crotch. I found another boardgame, same thing, why? because it is made by an American company, ah well, thems the breaks.

*ok, one itty price rise a few months ago, to a very few models, I would also like to advise that the bin tak DROPPED in price for about 2 years,
 
Lord David the Denied said:
You yanks want it all ways, don't you? You want stuff cheaper than the rest of the world, and you want it before the rest of the world. Guess what? Prices climbing to match what we pay isn't a violation of your divine rights. Welcome to our world, where things cost more than they're worth and we have to wait while other people get things before us.

Except in this case only ACTA costs more than it's worth. We can move to other products of better quality that are cheaper and that's what's happening. Maybe you enjoy paying more than something is worth and if you do, good for you. But some people figure if something is overpriced that they won't buy it. And it's not just "yanks" who are complaining. It's members of the EU who aren't Britain as well.

And I'm rather used to getting stuff later in all honesty. It's Japan that gets all the stuff I want first. Probably because most of the stuff I like comes from Japan. :lol: I care about prices, not when something comes out.
 
2nd_ed_hiffano said:
I dunno how much you know of economics, but their is a thing called inflation, people get pay rises, matereals become more expensive, this has the result of making things on the whole more expensive EVERY year, maybe say, to the tune of $1.33.
I don't know how much you know of ecomimics...
But where I come from, 13.3% inflation is mighty high!
 
To be honest, I've always been fairly suprised at how cheap ACTA has been to play. 100$ less fleet book costs and you have a fully playable fleet. GW runs 200 plus easy to field any army, FOW is about on par with ACTA.

The price increase has abosolutely NOTHING to do with MGP trying to get more profit off the game. Prices went up 50 percent or more just recently, prior to that the rpice had been the same for 2 years I've been piddling with ACTA, and from what I've gathered from this thread, had been the same for several years prior. In that same frame of time, the US dollar has lost something 60 percent of its value due to currency devaluation over the same time frame. It's not a price increase, its a price adjustment.

If the american gamers wish to vent about the cost of the hobby increasing, get on the internet and start venting to the pack of morons that run our country. YOUR hobby getting more expensive is in direct relation to THEIR actions over the last 6 years; it has nothing and will continuing having nothing to do with MGP's buisness model.
 
I don't know how much you know of ecomimics...
But where I come from, 13.3% inflation is mighty high!

Unfortunately Burger, that is very close to what the actual loss of value the dollar has experienced every year for the last 6.
 
Such the drama. I need to clarify some points. I brought up Iron Kingdoms / HORDES / War Machine to demonstrate product quality, not cost effectiveness. However, since it was brought up...

Trollblood Long Riders are calvary (most expensive infantry in the game) Trolls (most expensive species in the game) and there are 3 of them. For 3 of them, you get 2 Ka'Bin'Tak's, 1 Adira, or 3 Warlocks. On top of that, they are clean, dynamic, and multi-piece models that are the trademark of detail and consistency. An Ironclad Heavy Warjack, weighing about as much as 2 Babylon 5's, costs 18 dollars.

My Nemesis broke two sanding bits off my dremel trying to get the flash from between the engine nozzles. I also wore down out of my files trying to get to places my dremel couldn't. That's just one example.

As for complaining about the American market, I am sorry that the rest of the world pays more for their product. For one, that is wholly inaccurate. The Japanese electronic gaming industry is among the cheapest home market MSRP systems available. I cannot comment on the British market as I do not live or work there, but the American market is met by demand and competition. If American competition is stronger than the British competition, a corporation may make the decision to lower their prices in one market in order to compete successfully and maintain its player base. If it does not, it runs the risk of losing said players/consumers to its competition, who may have lower prices.

For most of you, you will understand this as simple business accounting and marketing, as well as supply and demand. Because of this competition, it is understood that Babylon 5 is a very expensive game, moreso than most.

Dark Angel
 
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