Another 5pt. Raid fleet (Centauri)

[Abraxas]

Well... I know there is already a post for this kind of thing, but I didn't want to hijack it and ask this. I have been trying to build this fleet for a while, thinking on and off about it... and I think I have it. It's a balance of cheese and not-cheese plus taking a light ship and heavy ships, using them to their greatest advantage.

1 FAP - Prefect
1 FAP - Magnus (Altarian varient)
2 FAP - 4 Vorchans
1 FAP - 3 Covrans

Fleet(1) - Prefect + Covran
Fleet(2) - Magnus + Covran
Fleet(3) - 4 Vorchans + Covran

F(1) sits back sniping light warships ships while F(2) outflanks the enemy's larger ships that can't maneuver away. F(3) is the brawler, going in to attract fire (something it does well with wide arcs and it's battle lasers and matter cannons) and defends against it well (something it can also do well with armour 6). It also assists F(1) and F(2) whenever possible. The Covrans for all fleets are initiative sinks, fighter support and of course increasing the effectiveness of the battle lasers and the Vorchans.

I think this takes advantage of the Vorchans (which only truely work if you have more than 2) as well as the Magnus... something infrequently used around here. The Prefect is usually called cheese, so I tried to balance it out with the Magnus and Vorchans.

Well, tell me what you think. Be nice...don't let the numner of posts fool you... I am new to this.

 

[katadder]

looks interesting, guess you havent got armageddon tho cos you could add one more corvan to that fleet if you wanted.

 

[Martin]

I think from a points cost the 3 Covrans is correct as the ship is two priorty levels lower than Raid the Armegeddon Fleet allocation list says one point buys 3 ships/wings.

Martin

 

[Abraxas]

I am using SFoS, which says I can get 3 patrol for 1 RAID. Since my stats will be from SFoS (not that I think any of these ships changed at all in Armagedden) I will use those point break-downs.

 

[lastbesthope]

looks interesting, guess you havent got armageddon tho cos you could add one more corvan to that fleet if you wanted.

I think from a points cost the 3 Covrans is correct as the ship is two priorty levels lower than Raid the Armegeddon Fleet allocation list says one point buys 3 ships/wings.

Martin

You're both correct, under SFOS rules for a Raid point you can buy:

1 Raid ship
OR
2 Skirmish Ships
OR
3 Patrol Ships

And under these rules, Abraxas' fleet is 5 pt Raid.

However, under Armageddon, all the above point splitting is still valid but there is 1 additional way to split a Raid point

1 Raid=1Skirmish AND 2 Patrol

Factoring this into Abraxas' fleet choice the follwoing occurs:

1 FAP - Prefect
1 FAP - Magnus (Altarian varient)
1 FAP - 2 Vorchans
1 FAP - 1 Vorchan, 2 Covrans
1 FAP - 1 Vorchan, 2 Covrans

Thus gaining an extra Covran

However since abraxas seems to be playing by SFOS standard then he's got the best spend possible.

LBH

 

[Abraxas]

However since abraxas seems to be playing by SFOS standard then he's got the best spend possible.

LBH

Well, of course I am right... :lol:

So I spent the points right... but is the fleet any good? Has anyone actually used a useful number of Vorchans? I never see more than 2 Vorchans in fleets and then I wonder why they are complaining they don't do anything...

May I suggest taking more? Just a suggestion.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

I generally use three or four. They are underpowered. Not as bad as the Kutai or Haven is, but they're too weak to be the front-line unit they should be.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I used to find Vorchans were useful pre SFOS, in packs they had punch

now they die easier and punch less hard, I don't rate them at all

 

[H]

you could join the centauri aren't hard enough brigade if you want? although damn, you stated an opinion, and fact, and not a whiney post, never mind, but I'll still let you join, i could make you a badge?

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Or you could stop being a cock and read what's being said instead of making up your own version of our posts...

 

[emperorpenguin]

you could join the centauri aren't hard enough brigade if you want? although damn, you stated an opinion, and fact, and not a whiney post, never mind, but I'll still let you join, i could make you a badge?

Centauri are like 3rd ed Eldar

very hard in some places but extremely poor in other leading to little variation in the second most varied list....

witness how many fanhead players use the same few ships (Pimus/Tertius, Prefect, Sulust)

 

[H]

I did read what was put, hence me saying he made a statement of opinion and fact.

 

[H]

you could join the centauri aren't hard enough brigade if you want? although damn, you stated an opinion, and fact, and not a whiney post, never mind, but I'll still let you join, i could make you a badge?

Centauri are like 3rd ed Eldar

very hard in some places but extremely poor in other leading to little variation in the second most varied list....

witness how many fanhead players use the same few ships (Pimus/Tertius, Prefect, Sulust)

damn fine fleet overall, some solid choices, it is a shame however that the vorchan isn't tough, beautiful ship

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Centauri are like 3rd ed Eldar

very hard in some places but extremely poor in other leading to little variation in the second most varied list....

witness how many fanhead players use the same few ships (Pimus/Tertius, Prefect, Sulust)

You're right there. Some ships are good, some are a bit too good (although which ones are too good is hotly contested) and some are just naff.

Hopefully, these issues will be corrected, and the Centauri fleet won't end up like the new Eldar, with beardy special rules out the wazoo and leading the way in the next round of army creep...

 

[emperorpenguin]

I will venture my opinion on the Centauri (which as an opinion you are welcome to disagree with!)

The Very good:

Tertius
Sulust
Prefect

The Very poor:

Balvarin
Demos
Morgrath
Kutai
Haven

 

[H]

how do you rate the Vorchan variants? which of course means you at least get to field a ship that "looks" like it was in the show?

 

[emperorpenguin]

how do you rate the Vorchan variants? which of course means you at least get to field a ship that "looks" like it was in the show?

The Vorchar I don't rate at all, the Corvan is too good a scout for you to want to take one

The Vorchat is on a par with the Vorchan but personally I like the extra range on the Vorchan

the Demos is just not up to Raid level at present

 

[Lord David the Denied]

I wouldn't call the Vorchan "very poor." "Needs a bit of a boost" would be more like it, to my mind. Another 5 hits and perhaps SAP on the plasma accelerator and it'd be fine. 15 hits isn't enough for a unit with the Vorchan's mission profile.

As for the rest of your picks, I agree. Balvarin is basically worthless. Demos can't compete with the other raid choices, Morgrath and Kutai can't compete with the other skirmish choices and the Haven... well it's useless.

Prefect is a bit too good; drop an AD from its beam, or just return to the Centurion's load-out and trade a turn for hull 6, and it's fair.

Sulust is perfectly fair as far as I'm concerned. It's good but has key weaknesses that can be exploited.

Tertius ought to drop a couple of AD from its secondaries to be fair. It gains too much for the price of the Sentris and one interceptor die.

That's my take on it, anyway.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I wouldn't call the Vorchan "very poor." "Needs a bit of a boost" would be more like it, to my mind. .

Actually you're right, I wasn't meaning to lump it with the others, I agree it just needs a boost

I don't mind the ship being fragile, personally I'd prefer the Centauri being more fragile than the EA and Narn but with a good deal more bite instead

The Sulust I still believe should be 3AD, especially if the Prefect drops to 2AD

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Thing is, the powerful beam is the Sulust's purpose. Its role is to escort larger ships like the Primus or Octurion and use its weapons to swat aside enemy escorts and leave the capital ships free to engage their opposing numbers. So a powerful beam that has a reasonable chance of eliminating an enemy light ship is fitting.

Contrast it with the Altarian, which is a fleet destroyer; its task is to defend larger ships against enemy destroyers and escorts, so it needs close-range guns with plenty of firepower, but doesn't really need long-range guns. Thus it has a powerful array of matter cannons as its primary weapons, while the same matter cannons would be secondary guns on a battleship. Just like WW2 battleships using 5" guns as secondary armaments while fleet destroyers mounted them as primaries.