ACTA - Dogfighting (supporting flights)

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I pretty much understand how dogfighting works but my understanding of how supporting flights worked seemed to differ from a couple of players at my last tourney.

My question is: How do additional fighters support in a dogfight; consider the following situation with Nials and Falkosi fighters.

The Minbari player wins initiative and elects to go first moving to engage the falkosi, locking up one flight...the other two chose not to move.

The Minbari then chooses to initiate dogfight - now he has a single Nial flight so has a +3 dogfight

Does the Brakiri player have:

A) +0 to dogfight, representing the base dogfight score of the single flight that the Nials are in base contact with.

OR

B) +2 to dogfight, representing the base (0) plus a +1 per flight in contact with the attacked Brakiri flight.

Also, assuming a draw and all flights survive, the Brakiri player may also initiate a dogfight back...is he compelled to roll a die to resolve the dogfight from his side, or could he choose not to press the attack? (His fighter would still of course be pinned.) - If he did press the attack would the "target" flight now change (to be the nials) so only supporting craft in contact with the Nials add to the dogfight score, i.e.

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Sitting here very confused after my mass of Falkosi failed to support each other despite being clumped together in an organic mass...offical answers only please. (I've posted another thread in the B5 forum on the link below to discuss...)

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=318036#318036

 

[lastbesthope]

The Minbari then chooses to initiate dogfight - now he has a single Nial flight so has a +3 dogfight

Does the Brakiri player have:

A) +0 to dogfight, representing the base dogfight score of the single flight that the Nials are in base contact with.

OR

B) +2 to dogfight, representing the base (0) plus a +1 per flight in contact with the attacked Brakiri flight.

A) as only flights in base contact with the enemy flight can support the dogfight. EDIT Page ref SFOS P.11, 1st column, 3rd para of Resolving a Dogfight

So in your very last picture, the Brakiri would have a +2 to dogfight.

LBH

 

[Alexb83]

There would be a case where A wouldn't be true - if when the Falkosi had moved, one of the other two flights had been noted as escorting the one now in combat - then the escorting flight would be able to attack the Nial first (giving two dogfights at +0 each).

 

[Joe]

So I have a question about this.

Lets say the final picture from the first post is the situation and the minbari won the initiative.

The minbari offense dogfight would be at a +3 would the brakiri defensive dogfight roll be at a( +2 or a +0)? This is the debat!

Some people have stated that since the minbari initiated the attack the barkiri is the target and any ally ship touching it gives a +1, but there are none there so the minbari get no additional plus.

Then if the Barkiri lives then it gets a chance to dogfight back and at that point once the minbari is the target then he will gain the benefit of the 2 additional fighters in base contact with the minbar but not when he is on the defense part of the dogfight.

So when the minbari ship is attacking the barkiri ship the barkiri do not get the bonus from the two fighters touching the minbari because at that moment the minbari ship is not the target because it is initiating the dogfight and the brakiri is the the target.

SO if a Nial won initiative and touches a Barkiri for a dogfight can the 2 additional touching barkiri help support for that first minbari initiated part of the dogfight or do the brakiri have to wait until they survive the first part of the dogfight and then make the Nial the target during their phase of the dogfight to benefit from the supporting fighters?

thanks for the input

 

[Triggy]

The situation is that if the Minbari win the initiative, they get to pick which Brakiri fighter is the target but the Brakiri player still gets the +2 for supporting flights. If the Brakiri player wins the initiative, he gets to choose which fighter(s) are the subject of the attack (and therefore who's dogfight score will be used and who will die if they lose).

 

[voodoomachine]

Also, assuming a draw and all flights survive, the Brakiri player may also initiate a dogfight back...is he compelled to roll a die to resolve the dogfight from his side, or could he choose not to press the attack? (His fighter would still of course be pinned.) - If he did press the attack would the "target" flight now change (to be the nials) so only supporting craft in contact with the Nials add to the dogfight score, i.e.

I'm sorry, I must be confused. Are you suggesting that if you draw a dogfight, whoever lost iniative can move into contact and dogfight again? I thought a fighter can only be engaged in one dogfight a round.

Also, doesn't fighter movement take place, then dogfights? As in, I move fighers, you move fighters, then we dogfight?

 

[Locutus9956]

Ok lets try to make this really simple:

In the first picture only 1 Falkiosi is in contact with the nials, the other two are not in contact with the enemy fighters and thus are not involved in the dogfight in any way and dont support.

In the final picture all three falkiosi are engaged with the nials so you have 1 attack with 2 supporting flights. Its really as simple as that!

Whether you go first or second makes no difference to whether youre engaged or not as dogfights occur during the firing phase not in the movement phase, you will either be in contact with the enemy or not!

Secondly dogfights are resolved on your fighter activation step, and both sides have one so it is entirely possible for a flight to dogfight twice in a turn if it draws the first time or kills one of multiple enemy flights and is still engaged for the other players fighter attack step!

 

[Joe]

Great that answers my question and of course leads to a second

Lets say a Nail dogfights me as a Brakiri and I survive the Minbari initiated dogfight after he won initiative. We are still in a dogfight and the brakiri phase of fighter shooting starts.

Do I the brakiri have to dogfight? knowing full well my luck will probably run out. Can the barkiri chose to stay locked but not activite their part of the dogfight. Basicly delay for another round tying up the Nail and waiting for the minbari to continue the dogfight next round.

thanks

 

[Locutus9956]

Fraid so. When its dogfight time all engaged flights fight, its not optional.