2nd american civil war
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Kristovich
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
And for those of you who can't make these out they are actually smileys
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Still, I kinda like the idea of a 2nd American Civil war!
127th Angry Angels
Mongoose
This was the premise for the old turn based Xbox game "Shattered Union" amoungst other things.
I'm amazed that the game isn't even out yet and there are mods and ideas like this filling the forum.
Why not an English civil war? Well indeed why not. Although, you can fit alot more factions into the US borders than the UK, We're a small island after all. Also means campaigns would last longer.
I think i'll exhaust the rule books scenerios before playing any of these.
I'm amazed that the game isn't even out yet and there are mods and ideas like this filling the forum.
Why not an English civil war? Well indeed why not. Although, you can fit alot more factions into the US borders than the UK, We're a small island after all. Also means campaigns would last longer.
I think i'll exhaust the rule books scenerios before playing any of these.
Hiromoon said:
cuz with modern logistics a civil war in englad would be very hard to do with tanks, it would basicly be northern irland style, in the us you have states and the possability of tank v tank and political diferances from state to state.
if there was to be a civil war in the world with this sort of technology at disposal, the usa would be the place, question is who would support wich states, ie would the MEA send over forces to help ? would china help the goverment to keep open trade routes ? were would the uk stand, the new goverment or the fighters for freedom ?
Elvis in Combat
Mongoose
OH, ThiS IS QuainT.
If manufacturing ramps back up in "America", and we do still make a lot of our own military equipment, then the RED section pretty much takes back the rest of the contient that comprised the old USA. They have all the industrial capacity, heck even the bit of Pennsylvania that has steel, coal, a bit of oil and industrial capacity is a part of it. The Northeast has nowhere near the red zone resources in those areas. So it'll either be all red(mfg) or blue (manpower) and after that the rest of the states would be incorporated back into "the union".
I'm not seeing how this would last more than a year at best.
But anywho:
In the US Arkham generally equates to a mental institution, where did the use of that for a nation come from? Did they all go nuts? :twisted:
Americans would come together to reject any foreign intervention (ie Canada) taking a portion of a state. Of course, in a crazy world, the US wouldn't be past annexing Canada. The US has had invasion plans for Canada before...
And did all the American Tribes get "relocated" to the northwest all of a sudden? "Tribal Tank Shock" would be cool however. The western portion of Canada would be Tribal now in your scenario as well. Better start breaking that nation up too.
If the map plays out as presented, I'd be more worried about the condition of rest of the world.
If manufacturing ramps back up in "America", and we do still make a lot of our own military equipment, then the RED section pretty much takes back the rest of the contient that comprised the old USA. They have all the industrial capacity, heck even the bit of Pennsylvania that has steel, coal, a bit of oil and industrial capacity is a part of it. The Northeast has nowhere near the red zone resources in those areas. So it'll either be all red(mfg) or blue (manpower) and after that the rest of the states would be incorporated back into "the union".
I'm not seeing how this would last more than a year at best.
But anywho:
In the US Arkham generally equates to a mental institution, where did the use of that for a nation come from? Did they all go nuts? :twisted:
Americans would come together to reject any foreign intervention (ie Canada) taking a portion of a state. Of course, in a crazy world, the US wouldn't be past annexing Canada. The US has had invasion plans for Canada before...
And did all the American Tribes get "relocated" to the northwest all of a sudden? "Tribal Tank Shock" would be cool however. The western portion of Canada would be Tribal now in your scenario as well. Better start breaking that nation up too.
If the map plays out as presented, I'd be more worried about the condition of rest of the world.
britneyfan97
Mongoose
Sweet, Free City of Chicago baby!
Not that Big C doesnt already just do what it wants within the state as it is.
Not that Big C doesnt already just do what it wants within the state as it is.
Concidering the number of Native Americans left, that'd be pretty damned impressive if they could manage it.
There was a movie featuring this 2nd Civil War concept...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0120086/
While it won 2 emmys, it still sucked.
There was a movie featuring this 2nd Civil War concept...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0120086/
Plot Summary for The Second Civil War (1997) (TV) said:
While it won 2 emmys, it still sucked.
oh come on, don't be so modest. half of the world would sit glued to the TV with popcorn, filled with schadenfreude,and the second half would be on the streets having the party of their lives :wink:
other than that, i doubt anyone would really move, everyone would be too afraid of shattering the status quo. i guess that UK could move and help(probably the "true government")but the rest would content itself with sending humanitarian aid.
in the perfect game world?everyone tries to get a bit for themselves.Brits and Frenchmen claim that they are returning the rebel colonies back into the rightful reign, chinese would try to get a bit of the western coast,or maybe just the countries around the borders,like Japan,Korea etc. ..africans..well,they aren't really in a position to do anything, same as the Arabs(i'm assuming noone is ready to start the nukefest yet!)
the rest of the world would either sit it out, or try to settle all those little scores with the neibourghs.
and then there are the refugees, mexico closing the borders and shooting the refugees, and later, as the SA(no longer United)bleed themselves dry, the Mexico gangs up with Argentine and Peru, and try to get some of southern states for itself.
thing is say we have the situation above (the map) rather than pul it apart, exceptionaly easy to do, lets see how we could use our imagination and have some fun (fun is the reason alot of us play after all) and see what we come up with.
what started it ? would it be a nuke bomb hiting central america ? who lainched it and why ? was it an accident ? what global implications doese it have, was it an act of terrorism ? is it a goverment cover up ? was it a metior hit thats been dismised as an enemy attack for public opinion, was it staged to win an election ? was their vote rigging ? did the industrial side of the us turn communist due to working conditions and military curfews ? lets see what sorta alternative universe we can create.
what started it ? would it be a nuke bomb hiting central america ? who lainched it and why ? was it an accident ? what global implications doese it have, was it an act of terrorism ? is it a goverment cover up ? was it a metior hit thats been dismised as an enemy attack for public opinion, was it staged to win an election ? was their vote rigging ? did the industrial side of the us turn communist due to working conditions and military curfews ? lets see what sorta alternative universe we can create.
Kristovich
Mongoose
Well, in a UK civil war you have England, Scotland and Ireland.
Maybe you could have Germany, France and Scandinavi trying to get a share of the cake?
Maybe you could have Germany, France and Scandinavi trying to get a share of the cake?
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Other than none of the individual countries that make up the UK could survive as independent countries as they currently are...
Nick
Nick
In the US I figure that if the PLA were interfering then so too would the EFTF, and if both are getting involved then the MEA would be close behind looking to get their full share of the pie as well. Perhaps none of them are actually invading. Instead they might just back one of the US factions, helping out with 'Military Advisors' and small numbers of troops as 'Peace-keeping' forces. After all, if the PLA invaded, for example, the others would soon follow suit. Which faction they back might well change as the Civil war continues. Lots of Covert Intelligence units would be swiming around, trying to influnece things in their favour.
I reckon mercenary forces would be employed (good place to use the mercenary Mod) and 'rogue' PLA, MEA etc units would be part of this (rogue in the sense of their actions being deniable).
So, depending on where the battle is taking place all factions could be involved, perhaps even on both sides, if mercenaries enter the equation (might be interesting three player, with one player having forces on both sides, allowing a Warwick Kingmaker type situation!)
I reckon mercenary forces would be employed (good place to use the mercenary Mod) and 'rogue' PLA, MEA etc units would be part of this (rogue in the sense of their actions being deniable).
So, depending on where the battle is taking place all factions could be involved, perhaps even on both sides, if mercenaries enter the equation (might be interesting three player, with one player having forces on both sides, allowing a Warwick Kingmaker type situation!)
Kristovich said:
i think nuking the english scotish border would kill that one, and irland has no means to wage a war nor do wales. an english civil war would have to be political,ie goverment V queen. but the goverment are allowed to deploy the troops and the queen is allowed to let them engage an enemy, sothe have to agree for any soildier to deploy and shoot, the queen cant order them to war, and the goverment cant order them to fight,, its a stalemate.
of the uk people decided to rise against the goverment in favour of the king or queen, then all the queen can do is form a new goverment to control the country as she has no powers in that way, and if she/he tried to, i think peopel would be anti that and form a goverment them selves, but in this state all the army can do is defend their bases and quel civil unrest at the request of the police. after so many civil wars they ame up with a system to sort stop it, the queen can refuse the goverment its seat after an election if she feels the goverment is to right wing or left wing as well.
usa has alotmore land mass for a theory war than the uk as well, you can get by car from the extremeties to the other extrematie in less than a day !!!
Col_stone
Mongoose
scandinavians don't do "conquer UK" loot and pillage on the other hand 
seriously though,, for reasons,, in Twilight 2000 (WW3 rpg) the civilian government and the joint chiefs of staff argues about staying in the european theater of war(replace as necessary), and that the JCS are taking control of the media and that splits the country in half, with two government forming, Mil-gov and Civ-gov, not in the least helped by the fact that mexico decides to reclaim certain parts that they feel is rightfully theirs
seriously though,, for reasons,, in Twilight 2000 (WW3 rpg) the civilian government and the joint chiefs of staff argues about staying in the european theater of war(replace as necessary), and that the JCS are taking control of the media and that splits the country in half, with two government forming, Mil-gov and Civ-gov, not in the least helped by the fact that mexico decides to reclaim certain parts that they feel is rightfully theirs
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Well at the rate Gordon Brown is working most of the armed forces will be located in Scotland...
Nick
Nick
