Zed-PM, Anyone?
- Thread starter Terry Mixon
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Seriously? Power from vacuum in real life (if this is real) and it gets nothing?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Scam. None get sent out until people order $249 million worth of them. Any disputes can only be handled in the Court of Miami, Florida with this addendum, "Governing Law and Dispute Resolution: This order shall be construed and enforced under the laws of the State of Florida (USA), without regards to the conflicts of law principles. Any controversy or claim arising out of or relating to this order shall be settled exclusively by the Court of Miami, Florida, USA."
Doesn't matter if you are not in the US or if they are violating the law in other jurisdictions. This is a scam. Also, notice it doesn't say you get your money back if you purchase one, but they do not reach their goal of $249 million.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
Well, I am fairly certain it is a scam, or quackery. Note that he won't ship/deliver/produce until he has a million orders at ~ $250 /unit.
You don't get energy out of nothing.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
This is what it supposedly is:
E-Cat Energy Catalyzer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
This is the founder of the company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_(entrepreneur)
E-Cat Energy Catalyzer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
This is the founder of the company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_(entrepreneur)
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
There was a mainstream article where they tested them with small electric cars. Agreed, if could be a scam, but maybe not.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
The theory is there. There is a lot of energy in vacuum if a way to extract it can be worked out. This might or might not be quackery, but it's as real as some of the power systems in Traveller.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
No, it isn't. Power systems in Traveller actually put out the energy they say they do, in the fictional world of Traveller lol. Even on paper this doesn't produce the power they say it does and apparently will not allow independent analysis. That is not how science works. Independent, peer-review is required, and they are not interested in that. Therefore, scam.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
Yes, but in Traveller I am assuming that there is a deeper level of understanding of Science that goes beyond what we currently have in the 21st Century on multiple levels, and that the cultures living in that time have had centuries to exploit that understanding and to apply the concepts to technology.
The link I referenced above doesn't talk about vacuum energy (at least I didn't see it on a cursory glance, but I could have missed it) but notes the E-Cat proposition as a type of Cold-Fusion nuclear process.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
You're probably right that its a scam of some kind, but it felt like a good topic for blathering on about.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I may have misunderstood what I was reading. Wouldn't be the first time.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
It does say that it is cold fusion. That was actually the point that I knew it was BS. People have been making these kinds of claims for years and yet can never produce their results in a peer-review. It is just the latest "snake oil" for sale.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
The way his advertisement reads describes something that certainly sounds like vacuum energy from nothing, but that is not what the technology he is referencing actually is referring to.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
There's a lot of vacuum in space.
And, exotic particles.
And, exotic particles.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
Now, I wouldn't be opposed to some type of cold-fusion process if it could be shown to have a valid outside-the-box-thinking operating principle that gets you fusion at relatively low (not necessarily room) temperatures and was subject to peer reviewed research, but nobody has been able to demonstrate such a process legitimately other than muon-catalyzed cold fusion (which has its own problems with sustaining the reaction with our current level of technology).
But Traveller does have a form of Cold-Fusion (it is called "Fusion Plus", developed by Zhunastu Industries, and a cornerstone technology at the founding of the Third Imperium), and also ought to be able to do muon-catalyzed fusion, as nuclear dampers should solve the muon-decay problem, as long as the binding problem of muons to reaction products can be effectively dealt with.
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
I raised your "fairly certain" to, "As certain as the sun will raise in the east tomorrow".
WHULorigan
Emperor Mongoose
And to be fair, I am even fine with this kind of thing in Traveller as well, but this would be Ancients (or the equivalent) level technology (TL 20-something +), the kind of stuff that even Imperial Scientists look at and go: "But that's Impossible!", and yet, there it is.
