Cap'n Scott
Mongoose
I have had a go at making a World War One version with Statistics for British and German ships at Jutland. How do I post it as a resource here?
regards
regards
WWI version
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Cap'n Scott
Mongoose
Well thanks to Dave Manley's kind help - here it is!
http://www.btinternet.com/~david.manley/naval/VAS/VAS_WW1.pdf
Please note that this is unofficial, a first go, and has NOT been playtested. However, people with WWI ships are welcome to give it a go. Comments welcome. Also, you will see that I have introduced my idea of a points system. A copy of VAS rules are needed to play it
regards
Scott Elaurant
http://www.btinternet.com/~david.manley/naval/VAS/VAS_WW1.pdf
Please note that this is unofficial, a first go, and has NOT been playtested. However, people with WWI ships are welcome to give it a go. Comments welcome. Also, you will see that I have introduced my idea of a points system. A copy of VAS rules are needed to play it
regards
Scott Elaurant
Captain_Nemo
Mongoose
Lookin good.....now I have to buy WWI ships.
Panzerschiffe here I come!
Panzerschiffe here I come!
Cap'n Scott
Mongoose
Dave
I would be happy to volunteer playtest as well. I have two friends in Adelaide who also play VAS, one of whom (Nzarra) posts here too.
regards
I would be happy to volunteer playtest as well. I have two friends in Adelaide who also play VAS, one of whom (Nzarra) posts here too.
regards
jbickley00
Mongoose
I'd love to playtest a WWI version as well.
These rules are pretty good, my only comment would be after about 1917, the gunnery rages went way up, especially as elevation was added to turrets. Some guns had extreme ranges of 39,000 yards. While its doubtful that range fingers of the day would allow hits at extreme ranges, the guns would be correspondingly more deadly at closer ranges. Perhaps increase the extreme range penalties a bit. You might also consider upping the to hit numbers of capital ships, to reflect the lack of fire control directors.
Also, rangefinding and director technology improved during the course of the war, so perhaps ships could have the trait "gun directors" and get a bonus to hit. Also, as this period moves into the twenties, it might be nice to see a return of the scout plane spotters. I think the elimination of this rule from VaS made some sense, given the context of WWII. But between the wars, it was very much intended for battleships to use thier floatplanes as spotters at extreme ranges.
These rules are pretty good, my only comment would be after about 1917, the gunnery rages went way up, especially as elevation was added to turrets. Some guns had extreme ranges of 39,000 yards. While its doubtful that range fingers of the day would allow hits at extreme ranges, the guns would be correspondingly more deadly at closer ranges. Perhaps increase the extreme range penalties a bit. You might also consider upping the to hit numbers of capital ships, to reflect the lack of fire control directors.
Also, rangefinding and director technology improved during the course of the war, so perhaps ships could have the trait "gun directors" and get a bonus to hit. Also, as this period moves into the twenties, it might be nice to see a return of the scout plane spotters. I think the elimination of this rule from VaS made some sense, given the context of WWII. But between the wars, it was very much intended for battleships to use thier floatplanes as spotters at extreme ranges.
fedf111fan
Mongoose
Can you please email me at desubateta@aol.com?
I have some ship forms I wanted to talk you about
and wanted to see if you had gotten my earlier email.
thanks,
John Hall
I have some ship forms I wanted to talk you about
and wanted to see if you had gotten my earlier email.
thanks,
John Hall
fedf111fan
Mongoose
My bad,
The question was directed for you David.
Thanks,
John Hall
The question was directed for you David.
Thanks,
John Hall
jbickley00
Mongoose
Well it might have been for me John! I won't be down this saturday as you know, but I am down in SD next weekend. Maybe we can have a rematch, my dice will be better this time.
Put John down as a possible play tester for WWI as well, he would be an invaluable contributor.
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Put John down as a possible play tester for WWI as well, he would be an invaluable contributor.
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
jbickley00
Mongoose
I concurr that squadron rules are essential. One key difference between the wars is command, control and communications. WWI ships moved and fought in formations. At a minimum, ships should be forced inot squadrons and all ships in a squadron deploy off the flagship.
Ships not in squadron should be required to join the squadron asap. perhaps a negative on firing dice when out of command.
related to formations is the problem of communications, ships cannot coordinate independent attacks in WWI like they can in WWII. However, trying to capture this in a game can lead to some hugely complex rules, involving written messages. It might be enough to have the formation rules in place.
As far as overconcentration, this is not really any more of an issue in WWI as it would be in WWII. In fact, given the manner of fighting in formations, overconcentration is less of an issue in WWI. I guess my basic point is that if overconcentration is left out of VaS WWII, it should be left out of VaS WWI.
Of course one other issue that should be addressed is the question of smoke-coal buring ships firing wwI projectiles created a lot of smoke. This smoke can (and did) obscure a ships ability to fire, as the fall of shot could not be seen.
Ships not in squadron should be required to join the squadron asap. perhaps a negative on firing dice when out of command.
related to formations is the problem of communications, ships cannot coordinate independent attacks in WWI like they can in WWII. However, trying to capture this in a game can lead to some hugely complex rules, involving written messages. It might be enough to have the formation rules in place.
As far as overconcentration, this is not really any more of an issue in WWI as it would be in WWII. In fact, given the manner of fighting in formations, overconcentration is less of an issue in WWI. I guess my basic point is that if overconcentration is left out of VaS WWII, it should be left out of VaS WWI.
Of course one other issue that should be addressed is the question of smoke-coal buring ships firing wwI projectiles created a lot of smoke. This smoke can (and did) obscure a ships ability to fire, as the fall of shot could not be seen.
jbickley00
Mongoose
DM said:you will be pleased to hear that all of these issues have been dealt with in AoD
Well e-mail me a play test copy and I'll see for myself.
juggler69uk
Mongoose
DM said:Patience is a virtue
You could always email me a copy to proof read for you :wink:
