Firing five missiles at a time and listing multiple launchers is a clear indication that there are five racks. Even the salvo description in the CRB supports this “Missiles are launched in salvos. A salvo is all the missiles launched by a ship against a single target in the same combat round. This could be a single missile from a single turret, three from a triple turret with three missile racks or dozens from multiple turrets or bays (see High Guard for more information on weapon bays).” As it specifically points out 1 missile from a single rack or 3 from 3 racks.
Would a far/free trader ever use missiles?
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
And, once again, it doesn't detail what a multi-launcher is. If it had five racks, there would be no need to treat it differently, only to say it had five launchers/racks. I submit that the above example covers everything except the elusive multi-launcher. If it was the same as all the rest, there would be no need to name it something different and emphasize its rapid-fire nature.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
In theory, you dedicate, at default, fifty tonnes to missiles, and you get twelve launches per round, and a magazine of one hundred forty four missiles.
The advantage being, the exchange of one or five tonne turrets with three and five launches each, respectively, for a larger salvo.
The advantage being, the exchange of one or five tonne turrets with three and five launches each, respectively, for a larger salvo.
So your argument is that because it doesn’t specifically says 5 launchers it’s only got one and does something that even our best missile systems can’t do and load and launch a rack and fire so rapidly that there is “NO “ effective time taken to do this Yet a similar rack on a turret can “Only” fire 1 missile a round. A barbette can be called rapid because it has the tubs to fire 5 instead of the max three from a turret. Are you arguing just to argue or does mongoose have to spell out every thing in exact detail before you’ll accept common sense?
But that 3 Barbettes take 3 hard Points while that small bay takes only one. So three bays fire 36 missiles a round as opposed to the 15 from three barbette’s. It’s the Hard Points requirement that make the bay better. Plus the bay have 12 reloads for a total of 144 vs the barbettes 25. So with the bay for the same Hardpoint cost you get not only over twice the missile a round but also over twice the rounds of sustained fire
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
It's a balance, between the priorities you set your self when you configure your spacecraft design.
For a starship, other ship components require volume.
If missiles are somewhat low on that list, you might be more inclined to assign them to one tonne turrets, rather than concentrating them in bays.
For a starship, other ship components require volume.
If missiles are somewhat low on that list, you might be more inclined to assign them to one tonne turrets, rather than concentrating them in bays.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Quite why, by the 57th century, all knowledge of the VLS cell system for missile has been lost is beyond me.
The latest development in high volume missile fire is to throw a pallet of missiles out of the back of a cargo aircraft and set the lot off at once.
Rapid Dragon.
There was also a 15 tube Hellfire missile proposed for vehicle use, there have been developments since.
The latest development in high volume missile fire is to throw a pallet of missiles out of the back of a cargo aircraft and set the lot off at once.
Rapid Dragon.
There was also a 15 tube Hellfire missile proposed for vehicle use, there have been developments since.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
We did have them.
I think while writing the current edition, it was consigned to Coventry.
I think while writing the current edition, it was consigned to Coventry.
Plus on a warship where Tonnage is often secondary you get a massive boost in missile density for the same Hardpoint requirements, it also why the Dragon System Defense Boat uses a small missile bay instead of 2 triple turrets or two barbette’s
Did have what
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
What I'm saying is that if it were the same launchers as in a turret, it wouldn't need a different name or to emphasize how it was different. Let's turn the tables, shall we? You're saying that even though the entry for missile barbettes is specifically different, that doesn't matter? When the rules spell out that it behaves differently, it is different.
I don't need to prove it's different. The rule is clear that it is. If you choose to rule zero that, that's your call but it isn't me that's ignoring the text here. If you want to prove it's the same as the other launchers, find some text that actually says that. Until then, the text is clear that there is some difference, whatever that difference is.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Vertical launching system.
Not sure what that has to do with anything but if your talking about the navy the used multiple tubes to get a high rate if fire. They were effectively a bay
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Missile Pack: A way of giving a ship a lot more firepower in the short term, the missile pack is a set of twelve missiles set directly into the hull of a ship. Each missile pack takes up a turret hardpoint and weighs one ton but fires all loaded missiles at once and uses the Gunner (bay) skill. However they can only be reloaded in a starport. The cost of a missile pack is twice the cost of one ton of the loaded missiles.
Where does it say high speed launchers in this and how does this describe the launchers difference from a turrets?
“Equipped with multilaunchers, a missile barbette can unleash a flurry of warheads at a target.” Yea if you’re firing 5 missiles that can definitely be considered a flurry and 5 rails are multiple launchers. “A missile barbette fires five missiles at a time and holds enough missiles for five full salvos (a total of 25 missiles). Missile barbettes on Firmpoints consume an additional two tons of space.” Wow it’s a large turret that fires 5 missiles at a time but no where does it describe the launchers as being different than that of a turrets. You keep claiming that
But no where in the description of a missile barbette does it describe it as rapid-firing. Your claim has no support anywhere unless you can give us a quote that says Rapid Firing
Yup from the companion but also a one and done great for an ambush not good for defense or regular combat and as describe it’s got a tube for each missile. Same system our navy and Airforce uses to get rapid firing from a missile system and decidedly not the same as a missile rack it’s a one shot bay.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
You keep trying to deflect and distract, but I'm not going to let you. Rapid fire was my description, but amidst all the frothing, you have done nothing to explain how something that is described as different is actually the same old same old. I've pointed out the paragraph where the missile barbette is described as no other missiles launcher is. I don't have to prove anything at this point. If you want to prove it is the same as a regular missile launcher in the main books, the burden is on you. Until then, you can feel what you like, but the word is still there. I'll whisper it again. Multilauncher. See? Different.
Here’s the problem I’ll whisper it back to you it does not say multilauncher!! It says Multilanchers plural. so mister see the Different wait a minute there is no difference!
To prove my point I’ll copy and paste the section again! “Equipped with multilaunchers,” now i don’t know if English is your first language or not but adding that “s” at the end of the word means more than one. See under bays “Packed full of launchers” so there is no difference in description “Multi-Launchers” “Pack full of Launchers”. So there is no Multilauncher. Multi means more than one not we launch multiple missiles in fact to make the sentence say what you want it to it would have to say “Multiple-Launcher” which it doesn’t.
To throw you own settlement back at you Quit trying to mislead and misrepresent what is actually written
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
You're the one frothing at the mouth. The barbettes use a word for their lauchers not found anywhere else. You're the one bound and determined to win an argument. Here's some free advice, so take it for what it's worth. Move on.
I said this is different and you've made a huge production about how it isn't. That's your unsupported opinion, but if it makes it easier for you to sleep at night, mark this down as a win and retire from the field.
Not that I'm wrong in what I said. I'm just not going to engage with you about it anymore. If you ever get anyone from Mongoose to say that a multilauncher is the same as a regular launcher, I'll accept that. Until then, party on.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Probably not the best insult to be throwing around on an international sci-fi board, just because someone doesn't see it your way on something that in the end doesn't even matter that much.
Would it surprise you to know that more than one author for Mongoose is multi-lingual and English was not the first?
That sort of insult only makes you look either silly or petulant, especially for people who KNOW. (If you know, you know... Oh, the irony.)
You don't want people to avoid your comments because they expect something like this. (and I know certain people avoid my comments because of what I argue for or against)
So, advice: Craft your arguments better, using facts and examples and try not to get upset when someone has a different point of view that they are set on.
I know I'm a bulldog when I KNOW I'm right... even when I'm wrong, or right-but-it-could-be-interpreted-another-way. My boss used to have to remind me that sometimes the juice is not worth the squeeze. You can only clamp down on a sock and yank it side to side so long before your teeth get sore.
