Women of the Traveller Universe

[Dave Chase]

WHAT! In the Far Future every one isn't shaped like a Porn Star?

I'm Shocked, Shocked, I say..... :twisted:

Hmm, at what age, I ask?

70, 80, 90

Dave Chase

 

[Infojunky]

Wow, did lower this thread to the lowest common denominator or what?

 

[Woas]

No more pictures? How about some more examples of 'inappropriate' Traveller/sci-fi attire... yeah, for uh, reference or something. :wink:

 

[Jame Rowe]

I did realise that very few women shown in sci-fi art are of African descent (about all I remember are some in GURPS Traveller and some in Star Wars). So one of the characters I made is, and the next time I play a woman character*, so will she.



*Yes, I do play female characters from time to time. I like variety. Don't like it? Take a shower! :wink:

 

[rust]

I did realise that very few women shown in sci-fi art are of African descent (about all I remember are some in GURPS Traveller and some in Star Wars). So one of the characters I made is, and the next time I play a woman character*, so will she.

This can indeed be very interesting and a lot of fun. My current favourite
NPC (as the GM I have no PCs ... ) is Khedidja Gerardi, an elder black
female terraforming expert, and I will really miss her when she will retire
in a couple of game time years.

 

[GamerDude]

The outfits in illustrations are like that because the bodies inside them are absurdly proportioned. TV and movies do manage to offend in terms of practicality, but short of *ahem* highly altered adult stars, mostly the bodies have proportions within pistol shot of the population norm.....

Thus my gripe about artistic depiction of bodies - real bodies look real, even when they are being sexy, dangerous or stealty; and the clothes look much more reasonable, even when the fashion sense is outlandish.

I'll give you that, they are typically out of proportion (they are the 0.01% of the population built like that).

I like Riply in the Alien series, and Winonah Rider in "Alien Resurrection" because they were real women dressed in clothes that made sense for what they were doing. Actually all the women in th Alien series are "real" women.

Of course, I wouldn't mind it if women were gene-engineered to be as ravishing as Angelina Jolie, but then she'd become "average" and that would be a shame.

 

[kafka]

WHAT! In the Far Future every one isn't shaped like a Porn Star?

And, when did that start being a bad thing? Many artists use adult magazines in lieu of hiring a real model. Hence some of the more suggestive poses that adore different RPG covers. I would not mind the proportions of the model remaining the same but with just more realism added combined with the element of fantasy. For I think, we equate heroic with a youthful vibrant look that adores many SF covers. For men are well represented in heroic poses. Women much less so. But, part of the Adventure is to have the characters to look beautiful...even if it is not in keeping with what passes for Real Life.

On the discussion of outfits for women in Traveller.

One of the things I hate is the continued 'T&A' mentality applied to female outfits. Why does everything have to be ultra form fitting providing for tiny waists and huge chests....

Why can't they wear outfits more like in Firefly? Nice, simple, and not out of some kind of futuristic fetish catalog.

As I said earlier...look closer at those outfits. Underneath, the baggy overcoats and outerwear, you got spandex and other stretchable fetishwear. Plus, is this not show where the male captain was stripped down and left with nothing but a playing card for "cover"?

 

[kristof65]

What I am saying here is that the roleplaying hobby will benefit from depicting a range of people of different appearances if it is to grow beyond its current demographic — and especially if it is to attract more women.

Well, as I have suggested many times to those who say this, great start developing, promoting and educating both sides to the advantages of this.
OR
Start your own RPG were the target audience is one that wants that type of thing.
This is not being negative or nasty. Currently, sex sells. And as many companies find out that the hint of sex sells better than the actual thing.

I hear what you are saying Salabra, and I respect it, but from what I've witnessed, sex sells to women, too.

I've had the pleasure (mostly) of playing in a half dozen campaigns with nearly a dozen different women, and their 18-20 different PCs over the last 15 years. And with one exception, the portraits/drawings/photos these women have chosen to portray their PCs are every bit as sexy as ones a guy would pick. And that sole exception? A Dwarf warrior for whom she picked no picture, only a mini - which, btw, had ample cleavage. It's not like these players are all fat and ugly, and using their PCs to help boost their self-esteem, or something like that - many of the ladies I've played with have been quite the lookers themselves.

Overall, I think a large majority who play RPGs - man or women - would rather have their characters portray one of their own body ideals, rather than the physical reality. Every now and then you get a player who's PC represents something else - like our current D&D campaign's "fat" mage who complains about all the physical exercise the group puts him through - but it's typically because it fits a character concept they had.

Too much sexual overtones in the illustration can and does cheapen an RPG, but for the most part, the right balance can make a product appeal to both men and women. I think Mongoose is doing pretty good with Traveller.

 

[Infojunky]

For the record I am a Smartass....

But that being said one of the rarest things in our hobby is a SF miniature of a female whose secondary sexually characteristics haven't been inflated beyond the distortions that make up the compromises that are a miniature....

Though things have been getting slightly better over the years. GZG's civilian figures in 15mm are nice in this respect. As are many of Hasslefree's figures.

 

[kristof65]

But that being said one of the rarest things in our hobby is a SF miniature of a female whose secondary sexually characteristics haven't been inflated beyond the distortions that make up the compromises that are a miniature....

Amen. And my ex-wife was one of the world's biggest buyers of those inflated minis...

 

[kafka]

Women might want to play Scarlet O'Hara a la picture but end up playing the Action Figure...lumpy plastic that does not feel right rather the heroine protrayed.

And in "Real Life" would she not make the perfect illustration for a Traveller character?

 

[Infojunky]

Women might want to play Scarlet O'Hara a la picture but end up playing the Action Figure...lumpy plastic that does not feel right rather the heroine protrayed.

In my experiance it is a gentleman trying to pull that off.....

Though there is Woman in my crowd that all of her characters are plastic lumps.

 

[alex_greene]

In my experience it is a gentleman trying to pull that off ...

Not before the second date. And not without offering her chocolate and flowers beforehand.

 

[Alan Hume]

Overall, I think a large majority who play RPGs - man or women - would rather have their characters portray one of their own body ideals, rather than the physical reality.

Hmm, that's a bit of a stereotype to fall into I think, many gamers (well, ok some) are actually in the shape they want to be

admittedly not me at the moment

 

[kristof65]

Overall, I think a large majority who play RPGs - man or women - would rather have their characters portray one of their own body ideals, rather than the physical reality.

Hmm, that's a bit of a stereotype to fall into I think, many gamers (well, ok some) are actually in the shape they want to be

admittedly not me at the moment

I didn't say that all gamers weren't in their ideal body shape, I merely said that most want their characters to be there, whether or not they are in RL. But I admit, it's not phrased very well. Let me retry it.

Overall, I think a large majority of RPG gamers would rather play attractive characters who meet one of their own ideas of an ideal body shape, regardless of their own personal reality. That seems to be the case regardless if the gamer themselves meet one of their own ideals or not.

Is that better? Because I've played with a large variety of gamers over the last three decades, and body type isn't one of the stereotypes I hold about gamers - I dont' want to seem like I do.

 

[phild]

Is that better? Because I've played with a large variety of gamers over the last three decades, and body type isn't one of the stereotypes I hold about gamers - I dont' want to seem like I do.

It's all true. I feel trapped in my own skin, and as a result frequently like to play a wobbly bottomed, beer-swilling nerd, because the reality of my Brad Pitt-esque appearance frankly sickens me.

:twisted:

 

[C. Chapman]

Reported. Time to prohibit Guest posting, I think.

 

[Anonymous]

Fascinating, Captain, truly fascinating. :shock:

Does this person expect me to take a day off to spend it on reading
such crap ? :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

I think I overdid the whole gender equality thing in my high society campaign. The characters (admirals, nobles) where invited to a formal ball, and of course, the question of dress code came up. "Uniform or evening gown" seemed the logical answer. And then I added "Evening gowns are suitable for women and men, of course".

 

[lastbesthope]

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