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[mrambassador1]

I think it was the last human leaving earth but some time after that humans (and maybe Minbari or others) traveled back in time becoming what we know as vorlons, and it is their efforts to see history turn out that way that is the vorlon involvement in the shadow wars.

 

[Burger]

I think it was the last human leaving earth but some time after that humans (and maybe Minbari or others) traveled back in time becoming what we know as vorlons, and it is their efforts to see history turn out that way that is the vorlon involvement in the shadow wars.

If they had the ability to go back in time like that, then why not just destroy the Shadows before they had even developed space flight? Job done.

JMS has explicitly stated that the rift in sector 14 would be the only occurance of time travel in the B5 universe.

 

[H]

I think it was the last human leaving earth but some time after that humans (and maybe Minbari or others) traveled back in time becoming what we know as vorlons, and it is their efforts to see history turn out that way that is the vorlon involvement in the shadow wars.

If they had the ability to go back in time like that, then why not just destroy the Shadows before they had even developed space flight? Job done.

JMS has explicitly stated that the rift in sector 14 would be the only occurance of time travel in the B5 universe.

just as Devils advocate. The Vorlon and Shadows always avoided direct conflict did they not, apart from the brief spell of crazy crazy egged on by Sheridan. perhaqps this sense of mutual respect would prevent any time traveling vorlon from killing the shadows. should time travel even be an available option.

 

[mrambassador1]

Throughout the show the Vorlons never wanted to destroy the shadows, they wanted the shadows and younger races to see their way was the right way (for that matter so did the shadows). The war was about ideology not victory, they weren't fighting to win but to be right.

Also remember that the vorlons existed for over a million years in the past, over time their mission became corrupted as they had a harder and harder time restricting their involvement with the younger races and became more set in their ways.

The Vorlons didn't want history to turn out exactly as it did, they didn't intend to leave for the rim with the shadows, some things in history didn't happen exactly as they wanted. Also by the time of the shadow war they had lost the plot a bit.

 

[David Anla Shok']

That is always a possibility, although have you ever noticed that every now and then you find out what one actually meant, and what they said is the simplest possible way to say it. In the pilot the first words Kosh says to Sinclair at the docking bay is "Ah Setai Valen". When I watched it on DVD I couldn't believe it, he just came right out and said it in the first episode, of course because it was the first episode no one takes notice or remembers, it's just some alien gibberish right? In other episodes what he says is actually straight forward, "you have forgotten something", "I will meet you at the hour of scampering", "surprise, reflection, terror, for the future", even though its sheridan, he sounded like a vorlon "Beauty in the dark". The Vorlon sound very cryptic, but are actually very straight forward, they say what they mean and mean what they say.

Yes, they do. But they are also inscrutable to ultimate degree!

 

[David Anla Shok']

My info comes from the shows. I haven't used AOG stuff.

Vorlons being from the future - This is alluded to in many episodes from all over the show. The most glaring is in the last episode of season 4, the one with the snippets of future history 100, 500 1000 years in the future. At the end of the episode far, far into the future (I think it was 1 million years but can't remember off hand) a human looking man says "we will create the world you wanted for us" then turns into a sphere of energy and enters what looks like a proto vorlon encounter suit.

I believe the person saying that they re-made earth as Delenn would have wanted it, then turning to energy was meant to be the last human leaving earth before the sun went supernova (and taking all of recorded history with him) however many millions/billions of years on that is, humanity having by then ascended itself.

Mostly correct. Delenn wasn't mentioned but his forebears surely were.

 

[Clanger]

My take is that the Human race evolved into Vorlon like beings through evolution. Time travelling becoming Vorlons seems a bit wacked in my humble opinion.

 

[skavendan]

Nor is it solid proof that humans becoming another race!

 

[mrambassador1]

I'm not saying I'm right, its just a theory, I like the theory and see a lot of circumstantial evidence for it, but I'm just as likely to be wrong as right. It's not like I've had lunch with JMS and he laid the whole thing out for me, I just think the Vorlons showed too much interest in Sheridan from an early time, and knew how important the humans would be when there was no real reason to.