What's next for Star Fleet?

Greetings all.

I had my first game last Wednesday playing Kzinti(using someone else's miniatures) and I have to say that I really like the game. It's not SFB but I have to say that it was pretty fun.

What's next on the release schedule for Star Fleet? Does anyone know what's coming out next? Is this game successful enough that the other races will be coming out in future supplements?
 
Originally, the idea seemed to be to map the ships in a given book to those from a given set of modules for Federation Commander (another game set in the Star Fleet Universe; it was launched by ADB back in 2005, and is more closely related to Star Fleet Battles mechanics-wise). For example, the ships in book 1 of A Call to Arms: Star Fleet are from the first four FC modules; Klingon Border, Klingon Attack, Romulan Border, and Romulan Attack.

This overlap echoes the one which the Star Fleet adaptation of Majestic 12's Starmada game system has followed; the first two books for both the Admiralty and Nova editions of the Starmada game engine which cover the SFU are Klingon Armada and Romulan Armada, which each have the ships from the two "border" and "attack" modules mentioned above.

This structure was also reflected in the ship selections for the Starline 2500 squadron boxes, which map directly over the same numbered boxes in ADB's older Starline 2400 series. The idea being that the first twelve squadron boxes are mapped to ships from the first 4 FC modules, the first 2 Starmada books, or the first book for ACtA:SF.

Also, the "sub-set" of weapon and system options in both Starmada and ACtA:SF are mapped from FC, not directly from SFB proper. (FC has no proximity photons or enveloping plasma torpedoes, which means that neither Starmada nor ACtA:SF do either.)

Even the ship stats are based on the (Squadron Scale side of their) Ship Cards from FC, which are slightly different here and there relative to their respective SFB SSDs. For example, Klingon Ship Cards in FC have no security stations, since they are not a factor in that game; so neither Starmada nor ACtA:SF bother to add them back in. (FC Ship Cards also have a Fleet Scale side, which is closer to the SFB Cadet scale. For the most part, conversions to Starmada and ACtA:SF are based on the Squadron Scale side, though the number of Marine squads in ACtA:SF more closely echoes the listing in Fleet Scale.)


However, this degree of overlap seems to be less of an issue with wave 2 of the Starline 2500s, and also for book 2 of ACtA:SF.

For example, ADB have posted a few 3D previews from the work-in-progress Lyran fleet. In FC, the Lyrans were introduced alongside the Hydrans, WYNs, and LDR in the Distant Kingdoms and Hydran Attack modules, both of which were combined into the Distant Armada module for Starmada. So, if it were reasonable to assume that the same kind of mapping was in play here, those same ships and empires would seem to make for good candidates in ACtA:SF book 2.

However, it is not yet clear if this will be the case. While we may get the Lyrans in wave 2, we may or may not get the Hydrans or WYNs at the same time; there's been no confirmation either way. (In FC, the LDR ships are integrated as optional variants on the Lyran Empire Ship Cards, as shown in this example from the FC Commander's Circle. It's not stated yet how they might be treated here, though.)


But before wave 2 (and book 2) can move forward, things have to be straightened out for wave 1 (which is still not fully released yet) and for the revision/reprint/PDF upload for book 1.

In terms of miniatures, ADB at present will not authorize any more "preview" ships (such as the Federation Star Tiger-class DNL) until all of the remaining ships from the first batch of ships is made available (which includes the Tholians and many of the civilian units, if I'm not mistaken).

But in terms of rule revisions, ADB has voiced its concerns about how well, or otherwise, the current version of ACtA:SF accurately represents the way things are supposed to work in the Star Fleet Universe. (One issue of note is how seeking weapons currently work in this game system.) Until the matter is resolved between ADB and Mongoose as to what the upcoming revision of the core rulebook will look like, the line as a whole cannot move forward the way it ought to.


The joint venture has had more than its fair share of "teething troubles", and this sort of isssue really needs to be settled before it gets any further out of hand. (I would hope the recent collapse of the efforts to try and establish a joint venture between ADB and Ad Astra games would act as a warning in this regard.) But despite everything, I do hope that these matters can be laid to rest, and that both Mongoose and ADB can get on with the business of making both A Call to Arms: Star Fleet and the Starline 2500 miniature range (and Traveller: Prime Directive, which is still awaiting its own formal publication) as much of a success as they deserve to be.
 
Nerroth,

Thanks for that in-depth reply. I should have also said that I'm familiar with Federation Commander, having played that as well as Star Fleet Battles. I'm also reading the FC forum concerning ACTA SF(especially the seeking weapon thread you mentioned).

I guess the answer to my question is that nothing new will be coming out until the issues have been ironed out with Book 1.

I hope things go forward with this game and soon as it has great potential to be a really good game.

I wasn't aware that there was almost a joint venture with Ad Astra games as well. I've played Saganami Island Tactical Simulator and I think it's a good game but lack of other players in my area(Milwaukee) means that the game is shelved.

Thanks again.
 
It is unfortunate that the ADB-Ad Astra deal-in-the-making fell through.


For this game, I do hope we are in for the long haul, not least since the kind of empires and settings I most want to see would be either a few years in the future (ISC, Andromedans) or would only have a shot at being considered once the Alpha Octant starts getting a little closer to being full (Omega, LMC, Triangulum).

And of course, the longer it takes for book 2 (and wave 2) to get worked on, the longer it will be for everything that can follow to get on the production queue.


So, fingers crossed, then?
 
Svc and Matt have both commented multiple times that they want this to work. Each have a business to run and the time difference between MP and ADB (among other things) make it interesting. this year has not been kind to Svc (which Nerroth can vouch for). They say patience is a virtue and all good things come to those who wait. So I continue to do both, which I suggest you do as well (It will be worth it in the end). 8)
 
Things are changing with Mongoose miniature production.

From the Judge Dredd Kickstarter:

Our other ranges are moving elsewhere too (Victory at Sea is already being produced in the UK - and actually has some new releases coming out today - and we are making final arrangements for Star Fleet & NobleArmada to go to another facility). Given the low production rate of our US facility and (especially) the poor service that has been conducted this year for our US and Canadian backers, we have made the decision to close the place down. This means we will have no permanent presence in the US any more, but that everything can now be directly controlled by us here in the UK.
 
I'm sonewhat surprised that an announcement like this, with the potential to be so important for both the Starline 2500 line and for A Call to Arms: Noble Armada, was buried in the JD KS update rather than posted in its own right on this corner of the forums.

Still, here's hoping that both ADB and Mongoose will now benefit from this change. (And that Holistic Design will approve of the effect this may have on the slice of their IP which is now in Mongoose's hands.)

this year has not been kind to Svc (which Nerroth can vouch for)

I didn't think my lobbying for Omega was that bad...

(But seriously, between SPP's computer crash and SVC's leg injury, and the need to undertake Operation FETCH, things have been far from ideal over at ADB. Here's hoping things will work out much more smoothly for the rest of the year.)
 
Nerroth said:
It is unfortunate that the ADB-Ad Astra deal-in-the-making fell through.
Not to be unkind to fans of Ad Astra, but I'm almost glad it fell through. As much as I wish for as much buisness sucess for Steve Cole and ADB as possible, it has seemed at times things have stalled in the ADB/Mongoose venture, beacuse Steve is very "hands on" and he didn't have the time to devote to ACTA:SF that fans of the game might have wished, resulting in scheduling delays.

Nerroth said:
I'm sonewhat surprised that an announcement like this, with the potential to be so important for both the Starline 2500 line and for A Call to Arms: Noble Armada, was buried in the JD KS update rather than posted in its own right on this corner of the forums.
I know I have seen this discussed by Matt here in this forum before. I was certainly aware of Mongoose unifying their miniatures production in the UK beacuse of problems with the US branch and this forum is my only source of ACTA:SF news.
 
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